Things that FIFA can learn from PES!

[xWinnerxWisherx]

I said it before and say it again..
PES09 IS a winner and is a better game.

The pitches,the speed of the game,the responsive is just amazing.
Every player in PES feels almost different.
When FIFA09 come out,it looked like a winner but after few month people begin to realise that PES9 is more realistic game.

FIFA is fun but not realistic,PES is fun and realistic.

I prob'll get killed for that post.

[BenbelaP]

Originally Posted by wizia

it's not about licenses but gameplay. I've played both and you have to be kidding if you think pes09 is anywhere near fifa09 in terms of gameplay. Movements in pes are so unrealistic, it looks like you're playing with robots rather than football players. Don't get me wrong, fifa is not perfect, it has a long way to reach it still but there's no comparison right now.

exacta!!

[cbcruz]

Originally Posted by xWinnerxWisherx

I said it before and say it again..
PES09 IS a winner and is a better game.

Originally Posted by xWinnerxWisherx

I prob'll get killed for that post.

Usted merece ser..

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by laddsy76

Is it worth getting PES on 360? It was my favourite game on PC and I completely ditched FIFA for it. Is it as good on 360 as the PC version? I am completely bored of FIFA at the moment. All the goals look the same and its far too hard to find any space on the ball in 10 v 10

I'd absolutely recommend buying PES 2009 on XBOX 360. Don't expect mind blowing animations. Don't expect updated rosters and correct kits. If you just expect great gameplay and true football freedom, please buy PES 2009 on XBOX 360. Having played PES 2009, I just cannot imagine going back to FIFA 09 now. I tried it once and I didn't even finish the 90 minutes. PES 2009 is ace. You just need to give it some time. It will grow on you and have you hooked.

[xWinnerxWisherx]

Exacly

[Walkers24]

Is it like the demo? I tried that, and didn't really enjoy it, although its probably down to giving it a chance. I did play it with a 'Fifa Owns All' attidude.

[TheRealDeal]

PES 5 and PES 6 are the best football games ever made IMO
I play those two more than I play the latest incarnations of FIFA and PES

[FifaFreaky]

There trailer looks kinda nice to be honest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz_rWmvMPvk


Are they going to have Messi and Torres on the cover?

[rTR-Pioneer]

i prefer pes 2009 though the attitude of EA seems to be improved as it is clear that they put in a lot of effort with fifa 09, however once pes buck their ideas up for their next gen games then EA should be worried like in the ps2 generation, however, seeing as they have all the liceneses and pes is left with just la liga and a few others it will never be a level playing field, though option files for pes are often very good but are how to use if you have an xbox.
UT was a nice addition to the lackluster manager mode and EA were sure that they would cash in on their first good fifa game.

[laddsy76]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

I'd absolutely recommend buying PES 2009 on XBOX 360. Don't expect mind blowing animations. Don't expect updated rosters and correct kits. If you just expect great gameplay and true football freedom, please buy PES 2009 on XBOX 360. Having played PES 2009, I just cannot imagine going back to FIFA 09 now. I tried it once and I didn't even finish the 90 minutes. PES 2009 is ace. You just need to give it some time. It will grow on you and have you hooked.

Great I might trade in FIFA on the weekend for PES. Isnt there a patch you can get for PES for real kits and names etc. I used to do it on the PC all the time, but I am sure you could do it with 360 as well.

[King4me]

Fifa 09 beats Pes 09 by far m8..

[BenbelaP]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Yet another long post from me. People who hate long posts, please look away. Having played both FIFA 09 and PES 2009, I'm now able to make a good comparison on both games. While both EA and Konami have things to learn from each other, I've mentioned below those things that FIFA can learn from PES.

It was all going fine with FIFA 09. I loved the game. I tweaked the game some more and it played like a charm. Then slowly, I started to feel that the charm of FIFA 09 was wearing off. I started to feel that the games are becoming more and more routine, no matter which teams I match up. I quit online FIFA 09 gaming long back. All the tweaks and edits helps the game a bit but does not do anything for the inherent weaknesses and blunders. I was advised to play manual controls which I did for a few weeks but still it did not quite please me.

I thought there was something wrong with the game and that thing was so hard coded that it could not be improved by smart ideas from users or what's already in the game. That's when I picked up Euro 2008 again. That was so much better and than FIFA 09. Playing as nations did not keep me interested for too long. Then I thought, let me give another chance to PES. I remembered how lalalala PES2008 was, but still went and bought PES2009.

As soon as I booted up PES 2009, five thinglalalala me. One - the pitch graphics is just amazing. Two - the pitch is so big. Three - the gameplay has been slowed down to perfect speed. Four - anything works as long as you play well. Five - the games can be completely random. The pitch graphics is the best I've seen in a football game. I have a 40" HDTV and FIFA 09 pitches don't look this good. In all the stadiums, you can play afternoon kick-offs as well which are the best. The night matches are such a beauty unlike the dark corridors in FIFA 09. Ah, how I love the pitch being so big. The size of the pitch gives a new dimension to the game. There is so much space to keep the ball, dribble the ball, draw defenders and create openings etc. It feels like real football.

PES 2009 has been slowed down by a great extent. PES 2008 was in frantic pace. It was just crazy. In PES 2009, I think they have hit the sweet spot with respect to the speed. It is not slow as sluggish or fast as hell but it surely resembles the pace of real football than FIFA09. It is the unsophisticated animations that gives us a feeling that this game is fast. I'd say this game is as fast as the real life football. Real football is slow in general and shows some bursts of pace depending on the situations. That's very beautifully captured in PES 2009. Now I can truly control the pace of the game, at least when I have the ball. I can knock it around among my defenders and midfielders and can quickly use my pace if I see an opportunity, just like real football. In FIFA 09, you have less of time and space, which makes it very unrealistic.

The great thing about pro evo is that it allows you to play the game the way you want to. There are no beaten paths, no routine play or boring build-ups. This is what gives us the famous PES promise of 'you'll never score the same goal twice'. I'm not trying to say that FIFA 09 is scripted but it works in a framework. It does not allow you to play freely. Don't get me wrong. FIFA 09 is a great game and it is seen as a more complete offering than pro evo. In FIFA 09, I get this feeling that the game wants you to play in a certain way and forces you to play that way. See, I'm a good football gamer and a very normal one too. I don't do flip-flaps and all that. I just play my game, the game I normally see on TV every weekend. FIFA 09 does not allow us to beat defenders. It's not that uncommon in FIFA 09 as it is in real life. You don't need to do flip-flap or a 360 degree spin everytime you want to beat a defender. In PES 2009, you can beat the defenders with your normal dribble. And I love that.

But beating a defender with the dribble does not mean you get no challenge. The defenders can catch the attackers purely based on the speed and strength attributes, and direction and angle of the run. All other things being equal, a man without the ball can run faster than the man with the ball. But the difference should not be too much because there won't be any attacks and if the difference is less then you'll have too many break aways and one-on-ones. Pro evo has got this spot on. The speed advantage is neither for the attackers nor the defenders.

You can play the style of football you want to, provided the players you are suitable for it. You can play one-touch-short-passing game, you can play a long ball game, you attack through the wings, you can split through the centre, you can play slow build-up game, you can shoot on sight etc. Basically what Konami tell us is, here is the set of things you can do, come with a combination of these things and score the goal any which way you want. Whatever PES2009 allows us to do, it allows to do them very very well.

Take shooting for instance, you can shoot from distance as well as from difficult angles, depending on the player that you control. Take crossing, it is so sweet in this game. It is a real weapon. In FIFA09, crossing was kind of discouraged by the way the game plays. Crosses are always useless so you stop playing that kind of game. In FIFA09, it's unnaturally hard to cut back from the sides. In FIFA08, it was way too easy and probably hence, they made it so difficult in FIFA09. In PES 2009, you can cut-back beautifully.

If you can attack so effectively in all these ways, do we end up with huge scores such as 10-8 or something? No, certainly not. Because, the defence behaves very well. They know exactly what to do as defenders. They are very smart in staying in their positions and cut down spaces for you to exploit. They also pre-empt your possible next pass and attack the passing lanes which you keep you guessing and provoke you to be innovative on the pitch. The defenders don't walk around disinterested. They play as if they certainly don't want to concede. In FIFA09, defenders were a big problem. They were made a bit ineffective so that you can score goals. The played up all the time and even with all the tweaks and tactics, it's hard to keep them deep. It's not the playing up that was a problem. It's their lack of pace while staying so up that made it all too easy for the attackers.

Basically, in FIFA09, the players who are not controlled by you, had only half brain. Which is why the defenders were not smart in moving to their positions and cutting the spaces. Similarly, you'll have attackers who don't make smart runs while you have the ball. Basically, the AI of your team mates lacked game intelligence. The FIFA players are not very dynamic. They are in fact, lazy and lethargic. This is the reason why the FIFA games do not produce the excitement of Pro Evo.

To be honest, I have really really enjoyed FIFA 09 but what I realise now is that it lacks longevity. The fact that FIFA has all the licenses make you play as various teams which will give you a feeling that you're experiencing variety in gameplay. If you play team A vs team B about 10 times continuously, you'll see that the games will pan out in a very very similar fashion. In comparison, PES 2009 plays a much more random game.

In contrast, the PES players are much better. They do close spaces in time and they do make intelligent attacking runs. I read somewhere that the AI off the ball player in FIFA does not make diagonal runs. All that it can do is to run in a straight line. The PES AI players run diagonally as well which creates a truckload more of possible attacking moves. In FIFA, the players that you don't control do not decide or act on your behalf. All that they do is run and not stand still. Only when you take control of them, they come alive. Whereas in PES, even the players that you don't control do think and act on their own.

I've heard quite a bit about people complaining about their team mate AI that gets sent off. That's because AI thinks on its own and it could be an aggressive player. You can easily resolve this problem by selecting the player that's closest to the ball carrier. So now you're the one who's is in a position to make a tackle or get sent off. It's your decision then.

I also love the fact that you can even play the long ball game. They can sometimes be very effective. You can time your jump and win the ball and can truly make it very effective if you have the kind of players that would take advantage of the situation. The other thing I like in PES 09 is that the set pieces can be very useful. If I get a foul outside the D, I don't have worry about the interruption of my attack. I can make that free kick really count. You have a variety of ways to deliver the free kick and they can be good fun. Quick freekicks are also implemented very nicely.

I get a feeling that this is the best football game ever. They seem to have fixed exactly those things which were the pain points of PES 2008. That's all they had to do. At the core of PES, you have a great football game. You may not garnilalalala with decoratives but you can certainly avoid making a mess of it with your extra efforts. PES 2009 is no way complete. It is lacking animations big time. Very limited number of animations mean jerky looking movements and arcadish looking game.

Despite all this, for me the FIFA 09 vs PES 2009 is over. PES 2009 is the clear winner by a country mile. The race is not as close as the reviewers are making it out to be. It would take some groundbreaking efforts in gameplay for FIFA to reach the gameplay levels of PES. Konami have understood the beautiful game lot better than EA. That's why PES 2009 is much more realistic and resembles real football than FIFA 09.

I read this twice and I still dont believe that you wrote all this and I read all of it

[ant0n]

The lighting and the player collisions.

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by BenbelaP

I read this twice and I still dont believe that you wrote all this and I read all of it

My special thanks to you! I could go on and on about PES 2009 vs FIFA 09 but I know that this is a FIFA forum.

[FifAddict97]

Originally Posted by xWinnerxWisherx

I said it before and say it again..
PES09 IS a winner and is a better game.

The pitches,the speed of the game,the responsive is just amazing.
Every player in PES feels almost different.
When FIFA09 come out,it looked like a winner but after few month people begin to realise that PES9 is more realistic game.

FIFA is fun but not realistic,PES is fun and realistic.

I prob'll get killed for that post.

WOW! I cannot beleive you said that. Did PES pay u to say that?
'more realistic'??????
look at the physics of fifa 09, they are just amazing.
and the graphics are completely rubbish for PES09.
look at the graphics for fifa 09. they are, i would say, the best graphics for a sports game ever.
plus, the players in PES look like nerds and completely wierd. I saw C ronaldo with a tucked in shirt!!!!!!

[FifAddict97]

I prob'll get killed for that post.[/QUOTE] (origanaly posted by xxWinnerxWisherx)

ur right.

[FifAddict97]

OMG.

The graphics for PES 10 are completely RUBBISH!!!! And that is coming out THIS YEAR!!!!!

They could have made graphics better than this a year ago!!! Talk about repetitive graphics.

[FifAddict97]

Originally Posted by BenbelaP

I read this twice and I still dont believe that you wrote all this and I read all of it

I comleteply agree with him.

and if u are so sick and tired of manager/turnament/kick off mode, then play BAP mode. since i have made a BAP account, i have never played a normall kick off/turnament/manager mode game.
PES09 doesnt even have anything like BAP mode.

And i can dribble past defenders etc. all the same as Pes09 or any other soccer game. on top of that u said that crossing the ball is soo hard, yet several game reveiw sites have said that in fifa09 it is exceptionally realistic and easy to cross the ball and get header goals.

FYI: Why do you talk about how good PES09 is in FIFA09 FORUMS!!! go to PES forums if you want to talk about how great PES is. Anyway fifa09 is sooo much better.

[IHateAssistedIdo]

Originally Posted by FifAddict97

I comleteply agree with him.

and if u are so sick and tired of manager/turnament/kick off mode, then play BAP mode. since i have made a BAP account, i have never played a normall kick off/turnament/manager mode game.
PES09 doesnt even have anything like BAP mode.

And i can dribble past defenders etc. all the same as Pes09 or any other soccer game. on top of that u said that crossing the ball is soo hard, yet several game reveiw sites have said that in fifa09 it is exceptionally realistic and easy to cross the ball and get header goals.

FYI: Why do you talk about how good PES09 is in FIFA09 FORUMS!!! go to PES forums if you want to talk about how great PES is. Anyway fifa09 is sooo much better.

PES has Become a Legend, which is a brilliant game mode and lalalalaes all over BAP thb, more detailed, harder and lasts 15 seasons like a proper career.

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by FifAddict97

And i can dribble past defenders etc. all the same as Pes09 or any other soccer game. on top of that u said that crossing the ball is soo hard, yet several game reveiw sites have said that in fifa09 it is exceptionally realistic and easy to cross the ball and get header goals.

Yes you can dribble in PES 2009 but that does not guarantee you anything because the shooting requires skill and is truly based on player attributes and you also have a good shot stopping goalkeeper. In fact, my 10-minute matches produced less goals and I'm now playing only 15-minute matches. Basically, the players on the pitch truly play like the highly paid footballers. They play like they are good, damn good players. Also, if you play the smaller teams that does not mean they will be slower or weaker than the top teams, it's just that their skill levels would be lesser. That's the way it should. That's one of the areas where EA have dropped the ball.

[matt6666]

Tbh when I played PES 2009 I found it more frustrating than fifa... All issues aside, the most critical thing for a competitive game is to allow the player to live and die soley based on his decisions point blank.. All the lala psychology they try to simulate occurs naturally as a result of competition anyway... Tbh PES 2008 on 360 was the last game I i felt was fair... In Fifas defense when moves work it is seriously spectacular and impressive imo...

[Smoooooochy]

ball physics are superior in PES.

i did actually d/l the demo again yesterday. tried to play it but couldnt get past 1 game before booting fifa again. and until this year i was a PES fan!

[bluchampblogger]

Two things:

1. The full game of PES 2009 is way way better than the demo version.

2. Konami have released FOUR patches (latest one in May09) since the release of the game. Don't judge PES 2009 unless you played it this month and you gave it enough time.

[matt6666]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Two things:

1. The full game of PES 2009 is way way better than the demo version.

2. Konami have released FOUR patches (latest one in May09) since the release of the game. Don't judge PES 2009 unless you played it this month and you gave it enough time.

Multi-platform patches? And is lag an issue with the PS3 version anyone?

[RawwrrFIFA10]

It would help if someone could summarise the key points.