Petition to CANCEL FIWC. Vote if you think so.

[Yahya-Yusuf]

Originally Posted by NZJ0KER

Good idea in theory but I could imagine that would be very time consuming and difficult to do.

You're right, it would take ages do complete.

[Alamode]

Originally Posted by Luxz0rz

Dude. Wheres the

"No. EA are trying their best to run a tournament so that people over the world, even those who cannot make it to offline events, can participate in a tournament with a great prize. We all know some people can't appreciate anything, and want to cancel a tournament when there is no personal cost to them in keeping it open. We know that the thread maker has no clue how hard it is to police 250,000+ people and that in the end all cheaters will be caught and banned"

Really....I'd vote for that. Not easy to release a game every year, its hard enough meeting deadlines and putting in loads of new features every season, I'm just happy online is so good, nothing is perfect, and I can accept that. You get cheated a bit maybe, but are any of you going to come 6th? (or whatever other place just outside of your regions qualifying number) Only a hand full could POSSIBLY miss out on the opportunity to play in FIWC live through glitches, but everyone gets them there is no excuse.

If you hate to pay to enter FIWC, I would COMPLETELY back you up, but its FREE, you have NOTHING TO LOSE to stop whining.

LOL. Ea are trying their best? There are 10 times more bugs in Fifa 09 then there were in Fifa 08 how is that trying their best?

I played a game a few days back, Scored a legit chip over the keeper, After i scored a cut scene followed my player was shown holding his head in his hands and it said OWN GOAL Kevin Doyle (Reading) and the goal was given to my opponent instead of me. This is again one of the many bugs in the game. I lost 60 skill points because of this. How are EA trying to do their best i dont understand.

I understand making games are difficult, But EA are a big company, Infact a HUGE company probably one of the biggest. You dont expect errors of this magnitude that people can enter editted teams in a FIFA WORLD CUP tournament? I mean common for god sake the people who will qualify will get a free trip to Barcelona for godsakes they will be on TV etc etc plus a chance to win 20,000 for the winner plus a car, 5000 for the runner up and 1000 for the 3rd place. Surely a tournament of THIS MUCH magnitude needs to be monitoried PROPERLY and be conducted PROPERLY and if they cant do that then dont have the competetion at all? I mean its a world cup tournament for Virtual players. If you cant run the competetion fairly, Dont have it !!!!

If the cheaters ARE going to be caught and banned in the end we want an OFFICIAL word from EA that they WILL be banned so that atleast people will start using legit teams not fake teams if they know that they will be banned. Thats all i need, If they are going to be banned just say it. How hard is to release an official statement that they know of the problem and they are working on it and they will ban people who will use the cheat ? How hard is it? They're not saying anything probably because they dont know how to ban them how will they verify people who are cheating i dont think EA have any records of even the players who score a goal in the matches yet alone have the whole lineup of every match. EA are not saying anything because they CANNOT distinguish between who is cheating and who is not. Simple. The only thing they can do is release a patch and fix this, and oh if i remember the last patch that came EA claimed to have had this fixed in it and yet it was NOT. A complete Blatant LIE to the customers who pay 40 Pounds for this game. IS THAT FAIR ?

Rant over.

Edit: Im sorry if my post offends you its just the way i feel about EA and Fifa 09. I felt Fifa 08 although it was inferior interms of graphics and gameplay i still preferred it as it didnt have half as many bugs as Fifa 09 has. Too bad i sold Fifa 08 when i bought 09.

[Luxz0rz]

It would be better to void the games. Btw Dave no cheaters will manage to get into the finals, EA will obviously take the time to check the records of those who have qualified, and those in the close region of it too. Not too say they won't be looking for cheaters elsewhere.

Whilst I know that cheaters are making people lose all the time, how many of the top players are stupid enough to play these guys?? I have seen noobs picking Spain, and I notice that the stats are 99, and I just quit. Most of the top people need to be playing as lower teams against good teams to be getting points, they would probably quit against another lower team player....no?

[Alamode]

Originally Posted by Luxz0rz

It would be better to void the games. Btw Dave no cheaters will manage to get into the finals, EA will obviously take the time to check the records of those who have qualified, and those in the close region of it too. Not too say they won't be looking for cheaters elsewhere.

Whilst I know that cheaters are making people lose all the time, how many of the top players are stupid enough to play these guys?? I have seen noobs picking Spain, and I notice that the stats are 99, and I just quit. Most of the top people need to be playing as lower teams against good teams to be getting points, they would probably quit against another lower team player....no?

Which stats are you saying are 99? I dont think the stats on the team selection screen change if you have a customized team.

Im playing with La Galaxy and i always ALWAYS come up with big teams in the quick match for FIWC.

[CruzAzul9]

Voted to cancel. Havent played the cup in months due to cheaters, I reported one to mods a few weeks back, he asked for my psn id, the cheaters and time of the match.... but weeks have gone, and no reply? The guy continues to play freely

[Luxz0rz]

On several occasions I have come up against someone who picks Spain, and his stats are 99, In FIWC. I can't explain it, but for some reason they are changed........? I'm guessing maybe normal "cheaters" put their editted players into the reserves, so the stats don't get editted, but this guy didn't??? I dunno?

Also on the previous statement, I'm sure if EA were charging money for this tournament, they would be putting in alot more effort (e.g more staff because it would be worth it to them financially. Aka why ALS isn't so great).

Also EA have posted an official statement on cheating, does it not say on the main page of FIWC that all cheaters will be banned and removed? I guess cheaters are willing to test EA though, no matter what they say. For example, on CounterStrike Source, anyone who is caught hacking will have all their online features on all games on the accounts suspended permanently no exceptions (except for servers which aren't hack protected, but good luck playing with idiots?) yet people still hack all the time. People don't care about the consequences, they have nothing better to do.

Also with the own goal glitch, I've never had it myself. Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't see too many glitches after "the fix" these days. Some goalkeeping howlers yeah, but that is a bit different to a glitch, just a complete **** up of the goalkeepers, but all players have them, and you get **** ups for you and against you.

[Alamode]

There were actually 5 topics on chipping the goal keeper counting as an own goal in just 2-3 days i remember a few days back just after i had posted. I score a legit goal 80th minute reading vs Real Madrid yet it counted as an own goal. It ****ed me off like hell i lost 1-0 and lost 60 skill points and then had to win 2-3 games to get back those 60 points so that was frustrating.

It does say cheating is not allowed but we dont know what do they mean by cheating. Is exploiting a glitch in EA's programming a cheat? I think it is but this thing should never have been in the game in the first place.

FIWC IS a BIG big tournament. Only because we are not being charged to play in FIWC doesnt mean they are not earning alot of money from this tournament. I am 100% sure EA is getting paid alot of money from sponsors like Kia Motors and also from FIFA. This is a HUGE tournament, Qualification is free but EA are earning alot through sponsors and Fifa. If they werent why would they give free trips to Barcelona for 32 finalists and why would they pay 20,000 USD + Kia Soul car to the winner PLUS a ticket to the world player Gala next year and 5000 to Runner Up and 1000 to 3rd place. They are spending alot of money on this tournament and they are also making alot of money from it so your argument of "EA not charging any money, hence not monitoring the tournament properly" does not stand valid my friend .

It is cheating to use custom teams according to me but the cheating is because of a glitch in EA's programming and EA shouldve released a patch or something to fix this or should've made a statement. Although they did fix this in the previous patch apparently but it isnt fixed still. Last patch they gave they said it fixes having custom team in ranked games but it clearly isnt fixed.

[FiNeSse7]

Originally Posted by NZJ0KER

I wouldn't say the whole top 100, maybe most of the top 20 apart from haunted.

^^ Thanks and your right. Sorry for long post coming...

I could name everyone in the top 50 who have "glitched" (yes thats right abusing bugs in the game is not cheating).

The reality is people only started using it well into the competition in which they had already gained a huge points advantage fairly.

The players at the top are quality players who would be there in any case and I think if for example many in the top 50 were removed then the quality of the tournament final would suffer greatly (opinion).

I have read people accusing Ruben (zerecero) of using this glitch and want him banned. I havent spoken to him so I couldnt say yes or no but we are talking about a guy who has been to at least 3 FIWC finals that I am aware of and has done quite well in them against top players. This just being an example that no if the glitch was excused then only lalalala players who glitched would make it.

Also Dries (the-return) has even won the whole thing in 07. These guys sit about 3 and 4 at the moment I think.

These guys for example also havent glitched - Dannys main account, Adamw, Mikkeall, Jad (contrary to belief does exist in Northern Ireland), beanz, sensation, sicilian etc.

I honestly think that EA have no choice but to allow the games played under the glitch. Reasons..

1. there is nowhere in the rules that say you cant
2. its not the gamers fault
3. the custom team glitch can be done by anyone and its not a hack
4. there has been no communication to players when EA became aware of the issue to say "we're attempting to fix it, it isn't allowed and to refrain from using it or you may be removed".

I completely understand where guys are coming from who feel hard done by this but you need to understand that glitches can and will be used by anyone and its only by peoples opinion that it is classed as cheating.

If the Italians didnt dive (a real world glitch) they may not have made the World Cup final at all (sorry to offend but this is a sore point to many Australians).

[Alamode]

When you put it that way Finesse i kinda agree with you to some extent but i still dont agree that it is not cheating. Exploiting a glitch is cheating. You cant cheat if there is no glitch in the game to exploit !!! But if you exploit a glitch, That is considered as cheating.

Although yeah, Alot of people have played fair games and got to the top 100 then realised that the people in the top are doing this cheat and so to catch them they also started to do this cheat. Maybe EA should instead deduct 2000 Skill points then off those players whom they are thinking that they are cheating and also release a patch IMMIDIATELY to fix this issue.

I honestly think that EA have no choice but to allow the games played under the glitch. Reasons..

1. there is nowhere in the rules that say you cant
Umm, It says anyone found cheating will be banned. If this is not cheating then what is? If you dont consider this to be cheating then what would count as cheating?
2. its not the gamers fault
Kinda true but then again, Its a glitch in the game.. You dont have to exploit it. I understand if it happens accidently (happened to me once) but to keep using it again and again and again makes it the gamers fault.
3. the custom team glitch can be done by anyone and its not a hack
What about the people who dont know about it? I didnt know about it only untill recently and i still dont know how to do it so alot of the people are only playing FAIR because they dont know how to do this cheat anyway, Its almost impossible for them to catch those who are using this glitch so its basically not an even competetion
4. there has been no communication to players when EA became aware of the issue to say "we're attempting to fix it, it isn't allowed and to refrain from using it or you may be removed".
Completely agree with this, Ea could atleast come out and tell us that they are working on it and they will be banned or something of that sort. Atleast then we know its wrong and action will be taken against them.

[s.c_number7]

Originally Posted by Yahya-Yusuf

I never played a FIWC match, but canceling the event is a bit harsh, instead EA should find and suspend the cheaters for this FIFA and the next FIFA game (2 years), like a doping suspension and the players who has cheated, should have a refund of a win, when he or she played the cheater, e.g. if a player played 10 cheaters, he or she will get 10 wins.

or they could permanently ban anybody who cheats forever

[FiNeSse7]

Originally Posted by Alamode

I honestly think that EA have no choice but to allow the games played under the glitch. Reasons..

1. there is nowhere in the rules that say you cant
Umm, It says anyone found cheating will be banned. If this is not cheating then what is? If you dont consider this to be cheating then what would count as cheating?

MOre the problem is we dont know what EA class it as... They havent told us yet. I feel if people were going to be removed for it then they would have told people it was cheating by now.

Thats why I think they will just try to fix it instead. You cant ban people for something that wasn't outlined as cheating at the beginning - that in affect would be making up rules as you go and isnt fair on anyone.

Someone like Vijay who has probably clocked up about 5000 games by now would be so hard done by if he was removed now and none of it has been his fault.

Thats why I personally I dont see it as cheating because glitches have always been there to exploit through every fifa game. I think its up to people to work out how its done, like in real football the more creative clever players get ahead, and people who have worked this out are quite clever.

Cheating to me is the guys playing themselves or friends for free wins without even playing the game. Custom team or not you still have to win.

^^ Just my opinion though, sticking up for the guys near the top that are good players without the glitch but fell to temptation. Dont ban them.

[Alamode]

But as they have said anyone found cheating will be banned. What exactly do they term Cheating as ? It must be these sort of glitches when they talk about cheating so yeah they have warned everyone about it.

Btw i just noticed, If a person plays as Aldershot and puts all the super stars in that team you DONT get as much points for winning as you would if you had played with all the original players. You still get deducted loads of points and you get awarded only a nominal ammount of points for winning using a Cheat Team. I played 3-4 people today who were doing this, and i noticed. When i won a game against them i think i got around 50 skill points and when i lost against them i lost only 8 points. I lost only 3 games though.

Thats what it seemed to me atleast but as you have played a lot more games then me finesse maybe you can confirm if this is correct? If it is then i dont see any problem with it, You cheat and if you lose a game you lose 50 skill points lol that's fine from my side .

[BabyjesusSK]

so u agree thta zerecero or whatver is in top of the N.A REGION is just ok because hes been there in the pass like u? so please dont banned him?

[shootie]

FIWC is a laughing stock, imagine if one of those cheaters get to the final stages, i wonder would he have his 99,99,99 squads then? i dont think so, so why let them in qualifying? ALOT of good players are trying to do this properly and i dont think its fair on them, i dont play FIWC because the cheaters in it, why treat it differently than normal fifa ranked games?

[FiNeSse7]

Originally Posted by Alamode

Thats what it seemed to me atleast but as you have played a lot more games then me finesse maybe you can confirm if this is correct? If it is then i dont see any problem with it, You cheat and if you lose a game you lose 50 skill points lol that's fine from my side .

I have no idea as I would not get caught playing against someone with a custom team, there are ways of seeing. Obviously the stars are different, the team attributes are different, and if someone has big name players in their team you can see before the game starts... One time it did happen when the Netherlands Antiles guy had 1 1/2 star feyenoord. Got in the game he had Torres and Evra. I quit out, its simple. I dont blame him for trying.

Glitches arent cheats though Alamode thats why they have different names. If glitches were against the rules then nearly everyone is guilty.

[FiNeSse7]

Originally Posted by BabyjesusSK

so u agree thta zerecero or whatver is in top of the N.A REGION is just ok because hes been there in the pass like u? so please dont banned him?

Not quite.

Just making the point that in any case they are still the best. My opinion is if there were no glitch they would still be up top anyway.

[FiNeSse7]

Originally Posted by shootie

FIWC is a laughing stock, imagine if one of those cheaters get to the final stages, i wonder would he have his 99,99,99 squads then? i dont think so, so why let them in qualifying? ALOT of good players are trying to do this properly and i dont think its fair on them, i dont play FIWC because the cheaters in it, why treat it differently than normal fifa ranked games?

You cant blame people who havent been told they are breaking the rules.

Experience tells them that exploiting glitches can get you far in the tournament so why should this year be any different.

If it were cheating in the beginning then these players in particular wouldnt want to hurt their chances of making the final.

They assume (with good reason) its a glitch and not bannable.

[Alamode]

Yeah when you put it that way then it seems fine but still EA should release a patch and fix this asap.

[FiNeSse7]

Originally Posted by Alamode

Yeah when you put it that way then it seems fine but still EA should release a patch and fix this asap.

Agreed, and I think they will soon. It may be the only thing they can do because I dont think they will ban people who have used it.

Hopefully anyone who has been receiving free wins though can be delt with towards the end. It was a big problem last year but this year it has gotten worse.

[Alamode]

Btw, How did you get so good that you're beating 5 star teams using 0.5 stars ? .. You're good

[Duballtheway]

i do the same m8 its easy enough you have to be good aswell but check players hubs and look at there stats and you will have a idea if you can win lol

[Alamode]

Any advice on how to use 0.5 or 1 star teams?

Im using galaxy and winning majority of my games but i dont LA galaxy is going to cut it if i want to qualify. And jeez i looked at the record of Finesse and a few others something like 500-600 wins and less then 100 defeats . Amazing. Any tips on how to be just as good?

[ILCaesar]

Signed.

[Kellog_G8]

Originally Posted by Alamode

What is a cheater? Someone who uses a glitch in the game to his advantage, Thats what a cheater is. So dont you think people are cheating when they are using this glitch? I completely agree its EA's fault, But its also the gamers fault who know that its wrong yet they are using it.

Well said

[daherlihy]

EA Sports have desperately screwed up on this, and have not fixed something they were supposed to fix in the last patch.

Additionally, the lack of response from them on this issue adds further fuel to the fire too. What I would like to see halalalalala:

• suspend all online qualification
• fix the glitch involved (and any others, such as the momentum glitch even though its not exploitable by any gamer, more info here: Online Changes)
• reset EVERYONE'S FIWC stats
• resume online qualification
• ONLY the best gamers will make it to FIWC from that point