Online Changes

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by benvenom121314

I know you said you tried different connections but i bet the upload speed was similar with those other connections - very low. 350kbps upload speed is not enough to consistently play lag free console games. I have around the same upload and only slightly less download and used to get all the same problems as you; well i still do but i got used to it lol. However you mentioned turning off PC; try going direct to your ps3, via the modem, no router - that might help. But if you can get a new internet with a higher upload speed seriously you should go for it.

my upload and download speed is around double dpd's and i am having exactly the same problem.

[gcooley]

Originally Posted by dpd782004

whilst i would never disagree with you glen as you are obviously more technical minded than myself, i have 1 simple question if lag really is the cause.

why did this lag start around the same time for all of us ? it did not start gradually. it kicked in like someone had flicked a switch and we all joined this growing thread at around the same point. is it just coincidence that suddenly all of our connections turned sour on us at the same time and for only 1 game, FIFA 09 ?

Because it happened around the same time its safe to say a couple of things:

Network and or connections are a major factor. Regardless of speed or bandwidth the simple fact that continuity or QoS are not mutually exclusive to faster BB.

The game now runs with patched code.

High pressure will give a team an advantage in less than ideal connections. This is because your AI will be in more threatening positions which is why they seem to pick up the rebounds and miss passes.

I have to say that any issues I was experiencing are now the exception instead of the rule that they were.

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by gcooley

I have to say that any issues I was experiencing are now the exception instead of the rule that they were.

same here.

i played two games against dpd last night.

first game dpd was sunderland, i was newcastle. i used 100% pressure/aggression. he used sunderlands defaults.

game ran smoothly for both of us. wasnt overly laggy or problematic for me. dpd you said you found it ok?

i won 1 - 0. pretty even game. probably about 50-50 possesion (i forgot to check).

second game he was sunderland i was arsenal. we both used defaults for the first half, fairly even again, i had one or two spots of button lag, nothing major, and not in any threatening situations. i went in 0-1 down at half time if i recall correctly (damn you stella artois!). at half time i turned my pressure/aggression up to 100/100.

game ran very slightly slower in the second half, the unresponsiveness for me went up a little bit. and towards the end of the game i found myself with those situations where you cant clear the ball from the back for love nor money. i lost 4-0 in the end, and dpd's last goal (i think it was the last goal, lager strikes again!) i had a bit of a mess in the six yard box, and dpd said that he actually scored by pressing tackle (i assume A not X) but because none of my players would gather the ball the ball fell to him, the button press registered as a pass, and he tapped it in.

[Mark655]

I used to happily game with a 350 Kb's upload online.
I now have a 1 and a half meg upload and still experienced games where the play became unresponsive.
Anyway i have a daft solution that i am working on and will get back to people later.

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by Mark655

I used to happily game with a 350 Kb's upload online.
I now have a 1 and a half meg upload and still experienced games where the play became unresponsive.
Anyway i have a daft solution that i am working on and will get back to people later.

daft solution you say......

have you bought pes2009?

[dave797]

Originally Posted by Mark655

I used to happily game with a 350 Kb's upload online.
I now have a 1 and a half meg upload and still experienced games where the play became unresponsive.
Anyway i have a daft solution that i am working on and will get back to people later.

Your not currently Brute Force attacking your neighbours wireless broadband are you..........................

[Mark655]

Originally Posted by T-Mills-85

daft solution you say......

have you bought pes2009?

Lol............

[daherlihy]

As Glen said above, it does indeed seem to be a combination of lag and high pressure tactics (the higher aggression and pressure are, the more unplayable the game gets under the slightest bit of lag).

I hope to draw the line for us as well this evening on whether there is any difference of changes between using a level 1 account and using a level 20 account.

[rob_boro]

I am just getting more annoyed by high pressure tactics and 100% aggression. Yes i know its tactics but its so unrealistic i mean high pressure in your face tactics for 90mins i dont think so. But with no real fatigue then players dont get real tired then they can do this for the entire game where as in real life they find it hard to do this. I mean we havve seen teams do it and commentators have said they'll struggle to keep this up for 90mins and they are right.

EA sort it out

[T-Mills-85]

yeah fatigue needs to be a bigger part of the game.

[Kresh3]

its a random advantages + high luck factor involved in fifa.

also, high pressure DONT WORK with every formation!

[daherlihy]

I just played Ultimate Team for the first time there and have to say that the Online Changes there are just as they are in Ranked and Unranked matches...

[AnabolicBeef]

what i jate about online is the lag ensures you only need about 3 passes and you have a chance on goal. Noobs do this all the time, they don't have the intellect to play real football, so they approach the game as a child would and sprint for most of the match. If fatigue was an element, it'd be laughable. But they actually get rewarded for it as my defence can't keep up with super fast teams and defenders are quicker then my forwards. If you have speed, and lag is present, you win. It's stupid and I swear I lose mostly to noobs, not to higher skilled players'.

EA need to balance this game out and get rid of all the rubbish so you have to play football and not just unrealistically sprint everywhere creating chances cause of lag and poor defensive AI.

Screw this game online, I actually HATE the online experience. Offline, good stuff. Online...worst game I have ever played!

[EA_DavidRutter]

We've had a game against Daherlihy today - and we witnessed him having problems with his first time passing.

Some senior gameplay guys are going to him a game early next week - munraj is arranging - so they can take a look...

In the meantime - eat chocolate...

D

[Mark655]

Originally Posted by EA_DavidRutter

We've had a game against Daherlihy today - and we witnessed him having problems with his first time passing.

Some senior gameplay guys are going to him a game early next week - munraj is arranging - so they can take a look...

In the meantime - eat chocolate...

D

Turning and tackling becomes unresponsive sometimes as well David.
I did dome testing the other night with dpd, my first two games played fine the third the unresponsive player issues crept in.
We were making lots of different changes throughout the game but we could not seem to put the issue down to one certain area.
I am glad that you have witnessed the problems.
I think that you should keep looking at how some other games are running from some of the other users here to get a bigger picture.

[daherlihy]

Originally Posted by EA_DavidRutter

We've had a game against Daherlihy today - and we witnessed him having problems with his first time passing.

Some senior gameplay guys are going to him a game early next week - munraj is arranging - so they can take a look...

In the meantime - eat chocolate...

D

Cheers Dave.

By the way, in the 1st of the two matches, your tester tried glitching a goal from kick-off AGAIN ...TWICE!!

[dpd782004]

well after a few nights of trying to research this i am now in a more knowledgeable position to make a few points about this problem we are faced with. whilst we have all tried and tested various theories till we are blue in the face we have never actually found the cause of this problem. and the reason in my opinion we have not found an answer is because we have been looking in the wrong direction. i think its the servers but please before you shoot me down in flames just bear with me. after lots of searching the internet and the various forums, i have come to realise that there are a lot more than us having these problems and its not just fifa 09 related. this is affecting many more people and many more games, but the 1 thing we all have in common is.....all the affected games are EA SPORTS titles.

below i have listed a few threads starting with would you believe it...FIFA 08 from last year and the problem started then about the same time it has this year. after researching this i found out that the game returned to normal around the middle of april 08. but there are again numerous threads all complaining about it last year.




now i could go on and on posting various links which i have come across over the last 3-4 days, after viewing lots of forums and all describing similar problems to ours and all are coincidently EA SPORTS titles. the fact is EA have been ushering us in every direction that is known to man, whilst at the same time moving us ever further away from the real truth which is an issue with the servers.

Now i am not suggesting for 1 minute that mr rutter and his team are aware of this problem but someone at EA is. Afterall is everyone who plays EA SPORTS titles having problems with there connections? the answer is no they are not. and to top this all off we all report no problems playing other games. but still we search for answers which are not forthcoming as the problem is with the servers which EA will obviously be reluctant to admit. how do you deal with an overcrowded server ? deny all knowledge.

now, having emailed and left various message to many people of the last few days, i recieved a very interesting message 3 nights ago and this person has advised me to wait and see if the servers return to normal around 16th - 23rd april. he insists that they will as they did just that on fifa 08 and also nhl 08 last year. he also said the same problems have happened again, around the same time, on the same EA titles, this year.

so i suppose im gonna do just that and if it happens i will be very interested to see the response from EA if this indeed comes true. again i must stress that im not suggesting that mr rutter is aware of any such problems with the server as im grateful that he is still an active participant on the thread but im not giving up on this. i will keep going till i find the truth.

regards sherlock holmes

[JUVENTUSFOREVER]

Originally Posted by daherlihy

Cheers Dave.

By the way, in the 1st of the two matches, your tester tried glitching a goal from kick-off AGAIN ...TWICE!!

they probably think it's okay and realistic to try and score directly from kick off, not realising most players couldn't even hit the target with any sort of power from there.

[daherlihy]

^^ Yo Dave (dpd), aka Sherlock Holmes ,

FYI, EA and I tested over 2 matches last night - the first where I was using 100% aggression and pressure, and the second just default tactics (with the tester using 100% aggression and pressure)

It was obvious that we was glitched in the first match as I won out easily 5-1, while in the second match, (despite winning 4-1 or something against his 9 men) I was handicapped by inaccurate and mispowered passing at the start, as well as an inability to pass/shoot first time right throughout.

[shootie]

Originally Posted by daherlihy

Cheers Dave.

By the way, in the 1st of the two matches, your tester tried glitching a goal from kick-off AGAIN ...TWICE!!

We are all f**ked if EA are even doing the glitches.

Thankfully we can finally prove to them that 100% pressure and Agression are unrealistic for the whole game

[EA_DavidRutter]

Originally Posted by T-Mills-85

game ran very slightly slower in the second half, the unresponsiveness for me went up a little bit. and towards the end of the game i found myself with those situations where you cant clear the ball from the back for love nor money. i lost 4-0 in the end, and dpd's last goal (i think it was the last goal, lager strikes again!) i had a bit of a mess in the six yard box, and dpd said that he actually scored by pressing tackle (i assume A not X) but because none of my players would gather the ball the ball fell to him, the button press registered as a pass, and he tapped it in.

Fatigue of the players?

[EA_DavidRutter]

I'm stilled stunned by dpd and his Sherlock/Dr Watson escapades...my PM's are now full up with his research

Who told you they'd go back to normal around 16th - 23rd april - was it one of our lot? If so I'd love to know who it is - because if he knows whats going on I might be able to get it fixed permanently/properly...

Cheers

[newcastle008]

TBH DavidRutter, it doesnt matter if your lot at EA fix the problems because every time someone is winning by more than 2, the opposition leaves...i actually had someone leave on me today when he was 1-0 up...

if you're still looking for suggestions for the next game, pass this one along. if someone leaves a game by any means, they should be banned from the servers for 24 hours. it seems alittle harsh i know, but it will definitely stop people leaving just because they're losing.

im aware of the 5 minute rule, i dont mind if that is left in.

[The_Geezer13]

Originally Posted by newcastle008

TBH DavidRutter, it doesnt matter if your lot at EA fix the problems because every time someone is winning by more than 2, the opposition leaves...i actually had someone leave on me today when he was 1-0 up...

if you're still looking for suggestions for the next game, pass this one along. if someone leaves a game by any means, they should be banned from the servers for 24 hours. it seems alittle harsh i know, but it will definitely stop people leaving just because they're losing.

im aware of the 5 minute rule, i dont mind if that is left in.

thts a good idea mate only thing is if someone disconnects for a reason tht aint there fault its a bit harsh

[dpd782004]

Originally Posted by EA_DavidRutter

I'm stilled stunned by dpd and his Sherlock/Dr Watson escapades...my PM's are now full up with his research

Who told you they'd go back to normal around 16th - 23rd april - was it one of our lot? If so I'd love to know who it is - because if he knows whats going on I might be able to get it fixed permanently/properly...

Cheers

lol. u better extend your inbox mr rutter.
its very obvious that this is not the first time that this sort of thing has happened. check on the 08 forums yourselves and you will see numerous people complaining about the same thing last year at around the same time we did this year.
seriously lets just wait and see what happens over the next 2 weeks. maybe someone above you knows something mr rutter !!!