Online Changes

[EA_DavidRutter]

Originally Posted by dpd782004

try this and see what happens.....reset all squads and then play an unranked game. you will play using all the players when the game was first out.

e.g. el hadji diouf is still at sunderland.

i did and had a really cracking game of fifa. no problems at all. there has got to be a problem with the updates effecting ranked games, maybe als, as it isnt as bad unranked normally but after resetting the squads the game i had was perfect.

Interesting.
I was hoping to find that since the fix for custom squads in ranked games that the problems might have gone away...I was thinking that cheats might be boosting the abilities of their squads somehow which might have made you feel like your team were donkeys.

I'll have a chat with the boys in the morning to see what they think.

[EA_DavidRutter]

Originally Posted by Murkvape

Bring back the speed and tactical gameplay of FIFA 08 and bring back Joe Booth please cuz this sh*t is gettin' ridiculous.

He will SOOOO love that when I tell him...

[JC83]

Last night I played with Real Madrid three times. The first two times I could pass freely, players were passing crisply, trapping the ball well and the response time after pressing the buttons was fine. Third game even a fake shot took about three seconds to work after pressing the button(s), players couldn't trap the ball at all and it kept bouncing off their shins, the ball moved as if the pitch was water logged and each player took three touches before passing.

Explain that please Mr Rutter.

[gcooley]

Thats how it plays most days for me anyways.

No matter what team I am the AI cant seem to cope with any delay so player animations become clunky hence the trapping issue.

Other issues are incorrect passes. Where I aim at one player and it goes to another. The list is endless but its very frustrating to say the least. And its so random!

Grrrr

PS. Fifa has broke my PS3.

[NAIJABOY500]

look at my signature

[X3F Maxi]

Originally Posted by gcooley

Thats how it plays most days for me anyways.

No matter what team I am the AI cant seem to cope with any delay so player animations become clunky hence the trapping issue.

Other issues are incorrect passes. Where I aim at one player and it goes to another. The list is endless but its very frustrating to say the least. And its so random!

Grrrr

PS. Fifa has broke my PS3.

I conceeded a goal last night because my defender didnt pass to the guy i had directed it to, in fact he passed it 180 degree's in the wrong direction to their striker.

[czelo]

GIVE UP PLAYING THIS GAME ONLINE PEOPLE! They are clearly not going to fix the problem. It seems to me that they don't even think that there is a problem.

I hope the critics take this into consideration when they are grading the next fifa game

[daherlihy]

Originally Posted by NAIJABOY500

look at my signature

: "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL TEAM ! "

And your point is? Would it be that you can and should only play as them in FIFA?

[dpd782004]

Seriously guys i have had another day today of flawless gameplay...albeit unranked and with no latest transfers actioned.

Reset your squads and you will be asked to confirm, do this.

so for example wilson palacios is stil at wigan and kenwynne jones has short hair again.(i hate this look)

it basically takes the game back to when it was first released way back when things were good. i know we all prefer to play ranked games but for me since i did this the game plays nicely again. i dunno where this leaves things as far as EA are concerned though.....if we can all try it and report back here as if this works for the rest of you guys we may be nearer to finding where the problem lies and thus EA can then work on a solution.

please give it a go and report back and then mr rutter may have something to report to his guys at EA.

[Masscot]

Some conclusions I have reached:

• All of the symptoms in this thread are down to lag. Stupid players, sluggish controls, misplaced passes - everything. It doesn’t quite explain how Messi can be outpaced by Paul Potts at times, but hell - I don’t know the answer to everything.
• Ranked or Unranked, just levelled up, default squads: IT DOES NOT MATTER. Lag will gimp games. Always.
• Lag is not obvious from the smoothness of the graphics. A game can look slick yet have laggy controls.
• FIFA 09 will cause me to have a brain haemorrhage before too long.
• Always create the session, and always play at the El Bombastico stadium. This way, you will always play on a dry pitch in bright sun or early evening. The symptoms are exaggerated on a wet pitch (ie overcast sky) or at night.
• Playing FIFA 09 when the controls are sluggish is probably THE most frustrating thing I have ever experienced in my entire life.
• Never play against people who spend more than 30 seconds faffing about with their team before a game. They are all putting Ronaldo up front and changing pressure and aggression to 100%, and altering their back four to have zero offensive mentality. Just quit before the game starts, and send the little sods negative feedback for trying to cheat.
• Never play against Man Utd. They are ridiculously overpowered.
• Players who watch every single replay from every single angle, or insist on running half the length of the pitch to celebrate a goal before doing ‘The Robot’, or waiting the full 30 seconds every time they pause the game, or any other of the annoying things that can drive you mad DESERVE to be quit out on.
• Never play anyone outside of your own locale - the game will lag. It is a law of physics. I have been paired up with players in Australia, Korea, Japan and the US in most of my games recently, and every single game was teeth-snappingly frustrating. Check their gamercard before the match and quit if they are not near your own location. You will thank yourself later.
• Five match minutes is unfortunately NOT long always enough to gauge how laggy a match will be.
• People are idiots and think nothing of playing online games when their mum is buying handbags on the web, their dad is surfing for porn and their kid sister is downloading cartoons from mylittlepony.com. Any sign of lag – QUIT.
• Select the ‘avoid player’ feedback every time you play a laggy game to lessen the chances of meeting that person again.
• I do not believe that artificial ‘momentum’ in some form or another is not present in FIFA 09, despite EA’s claims to the contrary. My own eyes do not lie.

[smeltzerinho]

kinda contradict your first point with your last but I agree entirely.

[WHITEyy118]

Originally Posted by EA_DavidRutter

Interesting.
I was hoping to find that since the fix for custom squads in ranked games that the problems might have gone away...I was thinking that cheats might be boosting the abilities of their squads somehow which might have made you feel like your team were donkeys.

I'll have a chat with the boys in the morning to see what they think.

I am glad yet dissapointed to hear that because it does sound like it may be the case. Some games arnt as bad, but others you can get owned by a player thtats unranked and only 2000 ea points and your team cant put a pass together but i dnt feel that reseting my squads will work or is worth it.

One question though. What was the bug that delayed the winter update anyway?

[gcooley]

Originally Posted by WHITEyy118

I am glad yet dissapointed to hear that because it does sound like it may be the case. Some games arnt as bad, but others you can get owned by a player thtats unranked and only 2000 ea points and your team cant put a pass together but i dnt feel that reseting my squads will work or is worth it.

Its lag. The frame rate runs fairly smooth but responisveness and game play are slower.

If you have practiced with lag or play with it frequently then you can out play even the best players. If your game relies on the ability to make a quick turn or a pass at an obscure angle you will suffer.

I have lost to people playing their first game online but beaten people comfortably in the top 200 on other occassions.

Its swings and roundabouts to be honest.

[WHITEyy118]

Originally Posted by gcooley

Its swings and roundabouts to be honest.

lol. This I do agree with.

What i hate most is when you play a game and you end up losing 1-0 or 2-1 and you then see its a noob and so not to hurt ur pride you play them again when the next game is even worse. There is terrible lag and so you get owned and they leave finking ther well good. Is the lag jus on 1 side or summat?

[daherlihy]

Tonight I tried something, and it may be the reason why the AI is getting horrificly confused.

Between my midfield and forwards, I only passed using L1 + PASS, meaning everytime I passed in the 2nd and 3rd thirds of the field, there was a player breaking forward. So for whatever reason, I found the playability slightly better (yet still with laggy and sluggish conditions), and it seemed that the AI couldn't cope with the decision making it was supposed to be making, much to my suffering over previous games also.

Regardless of the results, I am now beginning to think that using L1 + PASS on almost every pass by a gamer could be the reason why their opponent's AI is being seriously jeopardised, making playability a whole lot easier for them than that of their opponent. It isn't the player's fault who's "overusing" the L1 + PASS, but the AI, worsened by whatever laggy conditions also, and its the opponent that suffers...

Opinions anyone?

[WHITEyy118]

That could be the case. What i dont get though is in some games my players will make forward funs so i can pick them out but in other games i pass 2 a forward and then thers no1. All there is to do is run with it. This happens even if im using the same team, its so random

[Valioso3]

Originally Posted by daherlihy

Tonight I tried something, and it may be the reason why the AI is getting horrificly confused.

Between my midfield and forwards, I only passed using L1 + PASS, meaning everytime I passed in the 2nd and 3rd thirds of the field, there was a player breaking forward. So for whatever reason, I found the playability slightly better (yet still with laggy and sluggish conditions), and it seemed that the AI couldn't cope with the decision making it was supposed to be making, much to my suffering over previous games also.

Regardless of the results, I am now beginning to think that using L1 + PASS on almost every pass by a gamer could be the reason why their opponent's AI is being seriously jeopardised, making playability a whole lot easier for them than that of their opponent. It isn't the player's fault who's "overusing" the L1 + PASS, but the AI, worsened by whatever laggy conditions also, and its the opponent that suffers...

Opinions anyone?

I agre with this, I have noticed my defenders or player I am controlling get stuck when a 1-2 pass happens, like completely breaks the AI and they run in the opposite direction they are supposed to

[dcdunk3]

i agree too. it makes no sense

[Murkvape]

Just played Barcelona and for the first time noticed the stupid assisted chip throughball exploit. Why is that Messi can be standing completely still while my defender in backtracking and the moment the chip throughball is played the defender stops running turns around and only allows me to control him when Messi has the ball and is on his way.

I must've played the two biggest Barcelona cheesers in the world back to back today and it really made me wanna trade the game in. If i'd been able to put my chances away (that is, if the keeper Calamity Valdes wasn't playing out of his mind and parrying everything) I would've been right there. But every one on one was always blocked.

The last straw almost came though when this guy blasts an assisted cross all the way from one side of the 18 to the other and the player receiving it put a perfect one touch pass on the volley to Henry who spins around the defender (who basically jumps out of the way) and scores. Or maybe i was when i sent Park on a run and anticipated my opponent sending like 3 players at the ball like everyone does, and sent a perfectly weighted lob pass (all my **** in on Manual blalalao Park up the field only to have the defender somehow catch up to him as the ball just floated in the air like we were on the Moon or something and then, and this is the best part, auto clear/slide pass the ball back to his keeper, who proceeded to pick it up. When not 5 minutes earlier I HEADED the ball back to my keeper who then chested it down and passed it right back to Eto'o w/o me pressing anything.

It's not fun when I really try to pass around and create good plays with manual everything, only to have my opponent get the ball in his half and be in my penalty box with 2, 3 passes tops. With assisted passing it doesn't matter how I'm positioned. My players, unless i put pressure and aggression all the way up, will not make a move for the ball and his passes are perfectly placed and trapped all the time. This **** isn't realistic at all and it's a joke. Whenever i play against the guys that don't know about the exploits, I kill em but the moment i come up against the cheesers it's game over. I REFUSE to play like they do and it's really gonna make me just snap my disc in half pretty soon.

Oh, and to keep it on topic a little, the first game of the two Barcelona travesties was quite unresponsive. When I'd play a number of unranked matches against a friend a little while earlier. Like players just didn't seem to know where they were at. The preceding rant though, was just that. Me just trying to vent a little frustration as I KNOW that I'm not bad at this game. I know how to play soccer (have been since I was 4) and I know what smart play is. Attempting to do anything that you see on television or that you know to be correct in real life, WILL NOT WORK IN THIS GAME. But I really don't get any satisfaction from playing like I see everyone else play online. I've never tried that cheesy sh*t ever and I can't even bring myself to give it a go.

[Femdimes]

Nah online hasn't changed, it just sounds like you suck. Or maybe ur lagging one or the other.

[sp4c1n420]

Still on the game being tiered against me streak. Was winning one..he pulled plug..no win..5 out of last 14 have happened like that.

I can't seem to win at all. Two games in a row...two scrubs came back one me. One lost on lalalaing pks... his last goal...It went in slow motion( like it does in all dramatic moments on fifa...stupidest lalala i've ever seen on a footy game)On all lala goals...deflections off like the whole lalalaing team before they just tap it in.

Last game was the worst...I can't even tell you how many passes just went past my teammates...I made like 2 yard passes to people and it would just roll past them...probably at least 20 times in my last game. I made like 2 foot pass to scholes for a goal..and he just let it slide past his feet.

Fifa09 online is complete and utter 100% lalala. Fifa10 better be the most amazing footy game ever made. Stop all this arcadey lala,base tactic,uncreative,railroad track,one route football. Bring skill back in the game...don't make it so easy for the nerds who know nothing about playing good football.

[ptviperz]

Originally Posted by Masscot

• I do not believe that artificial ‘momentum’ in some form or another is not present in FIFA 09, despite EA’s claims to the contrary. My own eyes do not lie.

QFT - I played a guy the other day who had -41- xp points....who wasn't very good....and didn't get -ONE- single shot off the whole match. Every break I was ran down from the back, every pass contested, passes bouncing off shins, etc. I tried 3 different formations and played possesion and then played pressure. Nothing mattered.

My previous 3 matches were 4-0, 4-0 and 3-0 wins. I've played about 1000 matches...I know it's not me. I've won 22 in a row at one point......I've probably lost 10 out the last 12. I don't think I'm going to buy EA again...it's just not worth my time to practice only to have the damn AI decide who is going to win.

Incredibly frustrating....I just want a FAIR game. Why is that too much to ask for?

I might have gotten my behind whipped in '08 but at least I could get better and things changed in my favor, online '09 is absolute rubbish

[Kresh3]

guys, i broke the second chair and my controller was flying yesteday, because of FRUSTRATION!

THIS GAME IS SCRIPTED, there is no other explanation.

-HOW can my opponents striker run straight against my defender, my defender not even trying to get the ball, his striker bounces against my defender and then my defender either falls and he scores or he let the striker pass through, like he is his best friend or something.

-HOW can my opponents striker take the ball off me, after i stole them the ball with my defender, even though they being on the right of me and i am running on the left, with the ball clearly on the left too? the ball MAGICALLY teleports back to his feets.

-HOW can my stupid defenders not pass to where i am aiming, but instead give a 100% ultimate DREAMPASS to my opponent? actually my strikers do the same to, they just pass to the defenders though >=(

-HOW come my strikers wont make a header / shoot, when i give a cross to him, when he is 100% free and only needs to shoot/header. or when i have a corner kick, make a dream-corner to my striker, press shoot and the only thing he does is AGAIN stop the ball with his chest.. i tried everything, even smashing my shoot button, but not even then they would recognize it.

-HOW can you explain, when i only need to press A to pass to a 100% free player, to score a 100% safe goal, my striker would instead auto-pass to the most far away defender???? this is ****ing me right off!!

-HOW can you explain why my defenders controlled by the AI, make some steps away from the striker, so he has a free route to the goal? if i want to stop this, by switching to my defender, it wont let me controll him, BEFORE he makes his stupid move. so i cant avoid it at all.

-HOW come, when my opponent makes a lobbed through ball, his striker wont slow down but instead speed up and my defenders will slow down? but when i do a lobbed through ball, its the opposite! my striker suddenly slowes down like hell and the opponents defenders catches up. ridiculous unfair!

-i can only do 3-4 passes freely, more would occur in a disaster! my cam is completly useless too, cause passing to him is a 100% turnover, no matter if he is completly unmarked, because the pass wont just go in his direction!!!

-HOW can a striker, even being 2m behind my defender and i pressed B to clear the ball, (or A to pass it to the side, or X to slide it to the side) take a shoot on my goal without even touching the ball????

-HOW can it be that EVERY, EVERY rebound lands PERFECT!!!!!!!!! in my opponents feet EERRREERRRRYYYYTIIMMMMEEE --> results into a goal.


other gameplay issues, if i play a 7-0-3 formation, i can get the ball WAY easier to my striker then when i play a 4-4-2 formation. RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!

I give up on FIFA.
It is my first football game actually.. and i am already level 20 but that dont matter.
i started playing online from the first day on. i was winning about every game, even against people with >500.000 exp. points, i won 5-0 making them leave, and i was always only bayern, with bayern standard, and my opponent always being a manu abuser. i though THIS IS MY GAME! first football game ever, with 200 exp points i was dominating guys with 500.000 exp. points!!! sure this are not skill points, but even then, exp. points tell you something about your opponent! they tell you if it is a hardcore fifa gamer you are playing against or some noob like i was.
guys it was ridiculous in the beginning... i ping-ponged around like cracy with bayern, making my opponents looks like fools, i run straight through his defenders with TONI, outrunning and outstrengthing them with Toni, and now, if i make a pass to toni, its a 100% turnover. Toni falls the whole time, even against the smallest defenders. the game changed 180° against me.

bayern is completly unplayable at the time, so are standard tactics..
my game is getting ridiculous lalalalay.

[daherlihy]

Originally Posted by Femdimes

Nah online hasn't changed, it just sounds like you suck. Or maybe ur lagging one or the other.

Just because YOU don't seem to have the problem doesn't mean others shouldn't. Shut the door after ya

[mcassidy3]

yea femdimes there is many people on this forum reporting the same problem, many of them with high ranks but still complaining. Maybe if you are going to post something so stupid then just dont post again.