BluChampBlogger's Ultimate Guide To Realistic Football in FIFA 09

[tmr2121]

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[juggaknot]

Originally Posted by Stulad

It works for UK PS3.
By the way, I think I may know a way of getting past the region specifics, which works for NHL 09:

If you create your own squad file and put it on a memory stick then navigate to the files with your computer you should swap all the files in a downloaded squad folder with your own EXCEPT sys-data. Then it should work, although I havent tried in FIFA.

hold on, i don't think i get it. ok, so i download his squad file, unzip it...put my own squad files in a usb then replace my files with his, except for the sys-data?

[TranceLover]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Trancelover

I dont do anything about formations. I just laeve them as it is. Of course, I'd change the formation of the team I play as, to suit my needs.

Even I had a lalalala day in FIFA 09 on Sunday. Had 5 draw and 2 defeats in the premeir league. And I was playing as Chelsea!

Once again, the key is patience. Build up your attacks ever so slowly, there is NO hurry at all!

Okey Thanks for the respond. You keep it as it is on Top Teams Regarding they are playing Cover, Or Offisde-Trap to?

Hehe, Looks like we booth where having and Off-Day Fifa day then on Sunday..

Will take your advice into notice, But latest week or 2 now, it mostly will go to change Tactics reamining regardings slots left, and Edit Acceleration & Speed, With will seriously take ages.., and last find 3 Different tactics I can use for all teams I play with. And Since I used most of them on CPU Tactics, I saw wished it was more Slots, but when It's not nothing I can do with it.. Have you tryed out the working rate, and if players goes on runns etc? If so what Is your views about it? I tested it before I deleted my Fifa, and started totally on scratch, since I messed up my Saving, and Squad files totally.. I dont know what to say about it, probably have to test more to get a better view of it..

[Nino]

Do you think somebody could load it all onto the internet so we can all download it onto our PS3's or Xbox 360's if a person or some people did that you would be legends for people who want realistic games. Before I read this i just fought out a 8-6 game between Liverpool (me) and Man Utd (CPU) I won but I found it very unrealistic when it happens often, 4-3 would have been okay because it can happen but 8-6 no way. Every goal was scored from through balls for Man Utd and 2 of mine were from through balls but yeah that is really annoying 8-6

[Nino]

^^^^^^^^^
I mean if someone from Australia could do it

[Makgyver]

Originally Posted by Stulad

It works for UK PS3.

Would someone be kind enough to make an edited Premiership file? :P

By the way, I think I may know a way of getting past the region specifics, which works for NHL 09:

If you create your own squad file and put it on a memory stick then navigate to the files with your computer you should swap all the files in a downloaded squad folder with your own EXCEPT sys-data. Then it should work, although I havent tried in FIFA.

It works for the US version!!!! Except you had it backwards but I did the opposite and I am now seeing the edited Serie A teams from the posted squad file. You don't need the profile either. It is pretty simple to do.

Here are the steps you need to take to do this, and sorry if it goes into detail but it's better than having a lot of questions on the thread :

1. Load fifa 09 on your ps3 and create and save a new squad file. You can use your main one too but you will be overwriting it so it's better to create a new one.
2. Quit the game to go back to the ps3 dashboard. Go up to "Saved Data Utility" and find the squad file you just created. Make sure you have your usb drive plugged in and hit triangle, select "Copy", and select your usb drive as the destination. After it copies, remove your usb drive and then hit triangle, select "Delete" to remove the squad file from the ps3.
3. Plug the usb drive into your computer and open it up. Go to the PS3 folder and then the SAVEDATA folder under that and you should see a folder starting with "BL". If you have a euro game it will be something like BLES003140102 or if you have a us game it will be something like BLUS301760100. If you don't have this you didn't copy it right.
4. Open that folder and you should find 5 files inside named ICON0.PNG, PARAM.PFD, PARAM.SFO, PIC1.PNG, and SYS-DATA. If you downloaded the file Renatus28 posted you should also have his BL folder with the same 5 files. Take the SYS-DATA file only from his folder and overwrite your own SYS-DATA file. Don't do anything with any of the other files.
5. Plug the usb drive back into the PS3 and go back to "Saved Data Utility" and select the USB Device. Find the squad file and hit triangle then copy to copy it back to the PS3. If you didn't already delete the PS3 copy back in step 2 it might prompt you to overwrite.
6. Now you should be able to start up the game, go to load Squads, and you should see the "squads edited" file from Renatus28. Load it, go to edit player, then go to Serie A/Milan. If Kaka has a rating of 89 then it worked.

Can someone with the euro game try doing it the same way just to verify it still works that way too? If it does then we should only really need to pass the SYS-DATA file around as we are making the edits since it should work on all systems using this method.

[Stulad]

Thanks for explaining the process in more detail - glad to know it works!

[renatus28]

Great news this works

So here it is my updated file with half the Serie A updated (up to Juve+Milan).

Megashares - Drag. Drop. Yup. The first site to provide FREE file hosting with drag n drop support.

Now, i ask again, who wants to join in and edit, at least all the European leagues ?

will try to fisinh serie A later today

[renatus28]

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[juggaknot]

Originally Posted by renatus28

Great news this works

So here it is my updated file with half the Serie A updated (up to Juve+Milan).

Megashares - Drag. Drop. Yup. The first site to provide FREE file hosting with drag n drop support.

Now, i ask again, who wants to join in and edit, at least all the European leagues ?

will try to fisinh serie A later today

downloading it now. i'll try to finish serie A and B if i have time.

[renatus28]

Originally Posted by juggaknot

downloading it now. i'll try to finish serie A and B if i have time.

thanks man,so i will wait on your work and then i can update the spanish league and we will go from there. anyone that wants to join please do....

[juggaknot]

Originally Posted by renatus28

Great news this works

So here it is my updated file with half the Serie A updated (up to Juve+Milan).

Megashares - Drag. Drop. Yup. The first site to provide FREE file hosting with drag n drop support.

Now, i ask again, who wants to join in and edit, at least all the European leagues ?

will try to fisinh serie A later today

ok, i can load the squad file. we now have to get organized and see who edits what. i'm selling the game this weekend, need the money really, but i can help you with the editing til then. maybe one league at least. i'm gunna edit the bundesliga right now them...since you're gunna finish serie a then.

[renatus28]

ok have the bundesliga ready and then i will finilalalalaaly after you´ve done it!

thanks

i´ve taken -15 pts on each rating (speed and acceleration) btw

[Nadge]

FEEDBACK

I play as spurs and have reduced the pace settings for most prem teams and i have found that it is superb playing 8 min halves and it is really realistic but just slightly too slow

anybody else find this

Has anyone tried reducing by 10 instead

[klashnekoff nth]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Ok guys, be ready with the bouquets and everything. I'm presenting you the biggest discovery in FIFA 09. This discovery would change the way you play FIFA and will make you go crazy over it.

The below has been tested and found successful only in OFFLINE games so far. I play in WORLD CLASS difficulty with assisted passing/shooting and manual with the rest. I play with SLOW pace setting. Importantly, I DO NOT USE ADIDAS Live Season.

Firstly, let me start by saying why this discovery was needed. I'm now going to list down all the points which are affecting the FIFA 09 gameplay on the pitch:

1. The game play is a bit too fast, even on slow settings
2. Unable to hold the ball; AI always puts pressure and wins
3. Ends up being just a quick one-touch passing game all the time
4. Attacks are monotonous; there is not enough variety
5. Attacks and chance creation are not random and realistic
6. AI plays with the same plan in all through the match
7. Quite difficult to pull off the tricks

What I'm going to suggest could be a time consuming process but certainly worthwhile, if you want to realistic football in FIFA 09. Just follow me very carefully. All that we need to do is to reduce the values of two attributes for each player in a team. Then in my FIFA 09 profile, set my favourite team as Tottenham (I'll explain you the reasons later). Then I went to the 'manage teams' and chose 'edit player'. Now this opens up the squad list of Tottenham so that I can edit each player. This is why I set Tottenham as my favourite team temporarily so that I don't have to browse from Chelsea (my favourite team) to Tottenham every time.

Now I opened the first player for editing. I went to 'movement' attributes. In there, the first two attributes are acceleration and sprint speed. Now for these two attributes, I reduced the values by 15 points. For instance, if the acceleration is 86, changed it to 71, if the sprint speed is 83, changed it to 68. After I changed them, I hit the start button or back button to carefully 'save and exit'. Now I was back to the squad list. Then I kept repeating this for all the possible first teamers and the bench. It took about 5 minutes to make these tweaks for Tottenham team. Now I have a team that has no one in their 80s in sprint speed and acceleration. Then I edited the Sunderland squad. I set a match up between an edited Tottenham and an edited Sunderland.

The final result: I won 2-1. You won't believe how much I enjoyed that match. Forget the result. The process was fabulous. My players were slower but they played like professional footballers. They had control on the ball. They were able to dribble tactically. I had the time to think how I can build the attack. When I was pressurised by the opponents, I could keep the ball by evading the opponent, something I just could never do before.

Earlier, whenever I was under pressure, all I would try to do was to hurriedly pass the ball to the nearest player. Now I could dodge the opponent just like how the AI players will evade your pressure or tackle. More than all this, the game play experience was fantastic. As players move slowly, you're not in a mindset to hurry the attack. You keep the ball and try to look for spaces. The more I kept the ball, I started seeing the AI players making intelligent runs or even overlapping runs.

Earlier, when the game is played fast no one has time to make these runs. Typically, My CB will pass to CM, CM to LM, LM to CAM and CAM to ST (and the ST to fumble it!). There was some amount of routine in which the game was played by me. That was because, the players ran faster, passes were delivered quickly and hence the players received the ball even before they could start their attacking runs. In effect, all players would be in their respective positions as per the formation when they received the ball. They weren't making too many runs primarily because I didn't allow them to, as I would pass the ball to them to wherever they are, before they could make runs.

With the game now slowing down due to the reduced acceleration and sprint speed, the pitch now looks bigger! Yes! Earlier the pitch was small and the players in high speed made the pitch look even smaller. If someone like Torres could cover one half of the pitch in 5 real seconds earlier, now he will take 7 to 8 seconds. That's a lot of additional time for you to react. Now you may ask, that if the defender's speed is also reduced what difference it will make? Good question. Remember that the defenders' pushing up is also slowed down and even if you lose ball to allow a breakaway, you have a lot of time to select the correct defender or to make the right decisions.

More time on the ball also makes you think creatively. That's what happened to me. With that extra second on the ball, I started looking to surprise the AI (which is by the way, the best way to beat the AI) and even tried to do outrageous moves. This is all too good to be true but I have started shooting better than before, because of the overall adjusted speeds all around.

More than anything, I'm playing good football and I'm very satisfied with the way I play and AI plays. Because the sprint speed and acceleration of AI players are also reduced, the way AI played the game also changed. Granted it takes only milliseconds to process but certainly with more time at its disposal, it can take better decisions and that was very evident. Someone made this brilliant comment: 'when the players run it looks like they have more than two legs'. Completely agree. But now, in reduced speeds, even the running animation looks nicer.

I'm very convinced that this is the way to play the game. I wished there was a quicker way to edit the attributes but I'm happy that we are at least able to edit them. Then I went ahead and edited for Chelsea and played against an unedited Man Utd, got beat 3-0 but again, was a very satisfying match. Then I edited Man Utd and they won in penalties after a 1-1 result at the end of extra time. I ended up editing Arsenal and Liverpool too. I'm planning to edit 4 teams per league per day. I'm not going to edit the players of a team which I'm never going to play as or play against. I did not edit any other attribute other than the two I mentioned above.

We generally know that the league two teams produce great matches in FIFA 09. Ever wondered why? Because they're slower, you can control them better. Imagine a very controllable and slower Man Utd or Chelsea with the same level of their own skill and other capabilities. Remember, we're only reducing the acceleration and sprint speed. We are leaving all other attributes as it is. There could be a top striker with a sprint speed of 68 with a ball control or 92. This means he will have controllable pace with having very good ball control. This is why my shooting (not finishing) has improved.

My suggestion to you is to edit the acceleration and sprint speed values for players in two decent mid-table teams and play out an exhibition match for a proof of concept. Play 10-minute halves in world class difficulty or professional difficulty, preferably the former. If you're impressed, you can then go ahead and edit the values of players of all other teams that you might use. In a week's time I'd have edited the player values for all champions league teams and the premier league teams. After you're done with the editing, make sure you save the squad file in two or three different names so that your hardwork is safe.

Okay then, let me summarise what needs to be done in short bullet points:

1. Choose the team for which you want to edit the values
2. Set this team as your favourite team in your FIFA 09 profile
3. For all players in that team, reduce the values of speed sprint and acceleration by 15 points.
4. Save the squad file in two or three names to be safe
5. For another team, go to step 1

Finally, if this is the way the game should have been, why did EA set the values of sprint speed and acceleration so high? Because, most of the millions of copies sold, were sold to very casual gamers or casual footie fans who may not look for realism, as much as you and I do. Those were the ones who kept EA in the FIFA business when they were lalalala. No disrespect to those type of gamers; each one can have different expectations from a same game. Out of the FIFA 09 buyers, the football connoisseurs would be a very very small minority. It makes sense to make the game to please the majority instead of an obscure purist minority.

Finally, if it works for you (certainly works for me), please drop a line
here so that we all know. And, try to spread this message as much as
possible so that everyone know about this. Please DO NOT WRITE OFF this idea without TESTING it. EA has hidden a great game within FIFA 09. The tweaked game that I play is incredibly better than the original retail copy. I would thank EA for making this great game and also for making it in such a way that it can be customised to your needs. Let's FIFA 09!

Hi, i do like you thoery here but tbh theres no need for me to do this since i play with a lot of small teams anyway.

Your right! This games downfall really is just overpowered players. Its because like i said in my thread. Teams are rated politically. All well known players are powered to the max where as lesser known players are under powed and most importantly not rated properly at all. Casual fans will not notice this at all and wont really care but people like me who live for the game its clearly spoils a lot of this game.


What i will do is sort the sprinting attributes out properly

e.g.

10-20 Player that barely move (Jan Koller) (Luca Toni)
30 slow players (John Terry) (Senderous)
40 slower than average players (Andrea Pirlo) (Zlatan Ibrahimovic)
50 average paced players (most players in the game should have pace at 50 imo)
60 slightly faster than average (Alexander Hleb) (Amir Zaki)
70 can outpace the average centre back (Fernando Torres) (Wayne Rooney)
80 'fast' players (Cristiano Ronaldo) (Lionel Messi)
90 ONLY players that can do 100 in sub 11 secounds (Theo walcot, David Odonkor)


For example Fernando Torres is given 95 for pace. Thats a joke. Yes Torres is not slow but hes no Usain Bolt, same goes for Cristiano Ronaldo
I'm also going to sort out the dribbling and strength attributes of players since most of them reall are poor.

[tmr2121]

Originally Posted by Nadge

FEEDBACK

I play as spurs and have reduced the pace settings for most prem teams and i have found that it is superb playing 8 min halves and it is really realistic but just slightly too slow

anybody else find this

Has anyone tried reducing by 10 instead

I reduce by 10 not 15 it still made a differnce & loveed it

[renatus28]

havent played much besides some italian games w 15 mns halves and slow speed i like the pace of the game with - 15. of course for a fan of the premier league fast pace might look slow yes!

when i finally go to MM i think i gave to go back to 10 mns halves because 15 will take forever to complete 1 season

[renatus28]

Originally Posted by klashnekoff nth

Hi, i do like you thoery here but tbh theres no need for me to do this since i play with a lot of small teams anyway.

Your right! This games downfall really is just overpowered players. Its because like i said in my thread. Teams are rated politically. All well known players are powered to the max where as lesser known players are under powed and most importantly not rated properly at all. Casual fans will not notice this at all and wont really care but people like me who live for the game its clearly spoils a lot of this game.


What i will do is sort the sprinting attributes out properly

e.g.

10-20 Player that barely move (Jan Koller) (Luca Toni)
30 slow players (John Terry) (Senderous)
40 slower than average players (Andrea Pirlo) (Zlatan Ibrahimovic)
50 average paced players (most players in the game should have pace at 50 imo)
60 slightly faster than average (Alexander Hleb) (Amir Zaki)
70 can outpace the average centre back (Fernando Torres) (Wayne Rooney)
80 'fast' players (Cristiano Ronaldo) (Lionel Messi)
90 ONLY players that can do 100 in sub 11 secounds (Theo walcot, David Odonkor)


For example Fernando Torres is given 95 for pace. Thats a joke. Yes Torres is not slow but hes no Usain Bolt, same goes for Cristiano Ronaldo
I'm also going to sort out the dribbling and strength attributes of players since most of them reall are poor.

and you intend on doing that for all leagues?

[klashnekoff nth]

Originally Posted by renatus28

and you intend on doing that for all leagues?

No only the 'top' teams really. All teams under 4 stars are slow and are not rated properly any way

I've done man united, inter, chelsea, juventus, barca Ill do some more when i get some time.

[Nadge]

Originally Posted by renatus28

havent played much besides some italian games w 15 mns halves and slow speed i like the pace of the game with - 15. of course for a fan of the premier league fast pace might look slow yes!

when i finally go to MM i think i gave to go back to 10 mns halves because 15 will take forever to complete 1 season

Have you tried playing on normal speed i might give it a go it only needs a tiny bit more pace to make it perfect

[renatus28]

Originally Posted by Nadge

Have you tried playing on normal speed i might give it a go it only needs a tiny bit more pace to make it perfect

i like it on slow but on normal doesnt seem to fast also so yes i might get back there.for now, tough, just want to finish the massive project that is editing all european leagues

[renatus28]

1 question..editing the players will reflect on their ratings in the NT right?

this will make playing w international teams a fun experience..some edited, some not edited

[Beckham.]

Great news about the PS3's ability to copy squad files.
There must be a way to do the same on the xbox 360. I'll try to find a way when I get home.

[juggaknot]

Originally Posted by renatus28

1 question..editing the players will reflect on their ratings in the NT right?

this will make playing w international teams a fun experience..some edited, some not edited

i guess it does reflect...anyways, i did half the bundesliga...did them in alphabetical order up to hannover 96. i might have some time to do a bit more later. here's the updated file: PS3.zip (mediafire).

whoever decides to continues, let us know and tell us what league/teams you'll be doing.

[klashnekoff nth]

Originally Posted by Beckham.

Great news about the PS3's ability to copy squad files.
There must be a way to do the same on the xbox 360. I'll try to find a way when I get home.

u need 2 wait until the update