Custom tactics suggestions for realistic gameplay in FIFA 09

[bluchampblogger]

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[spaghetticat]

blu, just curious. i think 3 people now including meself have asked if you could upload your tactics to your online locker/player hub and you haven't responded to that request (granted you have posted them here).
EA developed this great new feature exactly for instances like this where instead of having all of us working away furiously trying to manually recreate this new custom tactic approach you discovered, you could just post to your online locker and share really easily with us!

[lungfull]

again based on league postions at the end of last season and the tables so far.....please excuse my spelling and sorry if miss a team or two

LA LIGA

Relegation battlers
Levante
Betis
Athletic bilbao
Numancia
Midtable
Recreativo
Getafe
Racing santander
Rcd Espanyol
Rcd Mallorca
Deportive la coruna
Osasuna
Sporting de gijon
Valadolid
Almeria
Euro Aspirants/Title contenders
Real madrid*
Fc barca*
Savilla
Valencia*
Zaragoza
Athletico madrid*

SERIE A
Relegation battlers
Regina
Chievo
Bologna
Midtable
Atalanta
Genoa
Palermo
Lazio
Siena
Caglieri
Torino
Catania
Sampdoria
Lecce
Euro Aspirants/Title contenders
Inter*
Roma*
Juventus*
Fiorentina
Milan*
Udenese
Napoli

BUNDESLIGA
Relegation battlers
Eintracht
M'gladbach
Fc energie
Midtable
Werder bremen
Karlsruhe
Hannover
Bochum
Dortmund
lalalaoln
Armenia
Euro Aspirants/Title contenders
Bayern*
Shalke
Hamburg
Wolfsburg
Stuttgart
Bayer L
Hoffenheim
Hertha

LIGUE 1
Relegation battlers
Toulouse
La havre
Fc nantes
Grenoble
Midtable
Nice
La mans
Lorient
Caen
Monaco
Valenciennes
Sochaux
Auxerre
Psg
Euro Aspirants/Title contenders
Lyon*
Bordeaux
Marseille
Nancy
St-etienne
Rennes
Lille


PORTUGUES LIGA

Relegation battlers
estrela Da amorada
Leixoes
Pacos de ferriera
CD trofense
Rio ave FC
Midtable
Belenenses
Nacional
Naval de maio
Academia
Euro Aspirants/Title contenders
Porto
Sporting Cp
Vitoria de guimaraes
Benfica
Maratimo
Vitoria de sebul
Sporting de braga

EREDIVISIE

Relegation battlers
De Graafschap
Willem II
Heraclese
Sparta rotterdam
Fc volendam
Ado den haag
Midtable
Vitesse
AZ
Utrecht
Roda jc
NEC
Gronigen
Euro Aspirants/Title contenders
Feyenoord
Heerenveen
Twente
Nac breda
Ajax
PSV
*= own custom tactic slot


have gone for more mid table teams in these leagues....after all just cos i team plays a certain way doent mean they wont do well in the league...also these leagues are pretty close allot of the time.

the relegation teams are based on the teams that have come up this year and the teams that where near the drop last year....also a couple of these teams are doin well so far this season so have bumped them up to mid-table

the euro-asp teams are based on having the champions league teams with there own tactics and the others were close europe/challenging for top places in the league last year...or doin well this year...

cant base it on last years finishes alone since transfers and manager changes will have made a dif this season...

again cheers for reading folks!!!!

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by lungfull

didnt do the portugese league....as EA have still done a half way decent job with these tactics and i prob wont end up goin there in MM...also it gives the game a bit of veriety to leave some leagues alone i guess.
again cheers for reading folks!!!!

great lungfull! very well done. can someone do this for the portuguese league too? it would be useful.

and . . are there any feedbacks? did anyone try this? are you still able to throughball and get one-on-ones like you used to get earlier?

[lungfull]

i'll give it a go....anlalalalala the dutch while im about it...lol

have edited the above post to include another two leagues

[SandyItaliaza]

if u play with 1/2 * team vs 5 * team then ur Relegation battlers script needs to tweaked a bit. Pressure: 35 Aggression: 75 will lead to fast players who play one touch get away with you more often. u can do Pressure: 20 Aggression: 30 so that they dont follow much and you can play them off the crosses to which they will eventully resort to as they cannot go center through the 5 man back line.

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by SandyItaliaza

if u play with 1/2 * team vs 5 * team then ur Relegation battlers script needs to tweaked a bit. Pressure: 35 Aggression: 75 will lead to fast players who play one touch get away with you more often. u can do Pressure: 20 Aggression: 30 so that they dont follow much and you can play them off the crosses to which they will eventully resort to as they cannot go center through the 5 man back line.

I partly agree. But one of my presumptions is that you'd play for one of the top teams. I had mentioned it in my post too. If you're playing as a lowly rated team, modify your own own custom tactics to suit your game play style. Should be all right.

[bluchampblogger]

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[bluchampblogger]

I tried out a quick league type tournament with me as Chelsea with Liverpool, Aston Villa, Newcastle and Stoke. So that there is a representation each from top teams, euro-aspirants, mid-tablers and relegation battlers. I could see the effect the tactic tweaks. Now the game plays much much more like real football. I'm able to build my play so nicely that I'm trying to do something new in each attack. I'm loving it.

Now I see that most of my shots are from within the penalty box. Earlier most used to be outside the box. As I'm building up play I feel more confident on the ball that I'm able to take the ball closer to the goal before I pull the trigger. After about 10 games or so, I hit the bar once. By the way, I scored two goals from headers off corners. And there was one from a goal mouth scramble, again from a corner. It was funny but very realistic!

And I've started to play in WORLD CLASS. It's a bit tough but it's challenging and brilliant!

[lungfull]

get the gameplay even more realistic by playing with pass assist on semi and the rest on manual.....

[Bahnzo20201]

Can I ask how is it that you assign these tactics to each club? Do they need to replace the default tactic in the "Quick Tactics" section of the club in the Team Management?

[lungfull]

Originally Posted by Bahnzo20201

Can I ask how is it that you assign these tactics to each club? Do they need to replace the default tactic in the "Quick Tactics" section of the club in the Team Management?

yes they become the new default tactic for that type of team....

apart from the champions league teams which get their own custom tactic which is a tweaked version of the existing default....

if you look back over the thread (prob in the first post) im sure this gets explained better.

[Bahnzo20201]

Originally Posted by lungfull

yes they become the new default tactic for that type of team....

apart from the champions league teams which get their own custom tactic which is a tweaked version of the existing default....

if you look back over the thread (prob in the first post) im sure this gets explained better.

Sorry, but not seeing this. If I go into Team Management, and then assign say a tactic to Bolton instead of their default tactic, then every team I go into uses this tactic as their default. There doesn't seem to be a way to assign different default custom tactics to each team individually. This is on 360 btw.

[lungfull]

Originally Posted by Bahnzo20201

Sorry, but not seeing this. If I go into Team Management, and then assign say a tactic to Bolton instead of their default tactic, then every team I go into uses this tactic as their default. There doesn't seem to be a way to assign different default custom tactics to each team individually. This is on 360 btw.

ah well on the ps3 we have a number of custom tactic slots that we can fill....upon editing the teams default tactic we have an option to save said tactic...

one of us worked out that you can have certain slots set aside for champions league teams.....3 set ups for dif types of team and spares to use during MM or for your own teams

[Bahnzo20201]

Originally Posted by lungfull

ah well on the ps3 we have a number of custom tactic slots that we can fill....upon editing the teams default tactic we have an option to save said tactic...

one of us worked out that you can have certain slots set aside for champions league teams.....3 set ups for dif types of team and spares to use during MM or for your own teams

360 has the same setup. What I'm seeing tho is this. Create a tactic and save it to a slot. Then you go to quick tactics, right? And in here you replace the default tactic with the custom tactic. But the game doesn't allow you to have different custom tactics assigned to different teams. A team either has it's own default tactic, or if you assign a custom tactic to this slot, then every team not using it's default tactic uses the most recently assigned custom tactic.

So either it works differently on the PS3 than the 360, or I'm confusing something here.

[lungfull]

yea we're saying the teams default tactics dont work as well as the ones covered in the is thread...

we've broke it down into three sections....

i've posted breaking the leagues down into these and what teams should or might be in these...

i know what your thinking....then surely every team will play the same....

each team still has its own formation and player standards effecting each team in its own way

start reading at the begining of the thread and all should become clear...

[Bahnzo20201]

Originally Posted by lungfull

yea we're saying the teams default tactics dont work as well as the ones covered in the is thread...

we've broke it down into three sections....

i've posted breaking the leagues down into these and what teams should or might be in these...

i know what your thinking....then surely every team will play the same....

each team still has its own formation and player standards effecting each team in its own way

start reading at the begining of the thread and all should become clear...

No, the problem is I was assuming that you needed to assign tactics in the "Quick Tactics" section. I was making it more complicated than it needed to be. For what it's worth tho, there are no explicit details explaining how to make these changes.

[lungfull]

well i guess the rest of us found it pretty straight forward and were in on what we were talking about from the off......sorry dude!!!

take it your up to speed now and we can stop cluttering up the thread.

[Bahnzo20201]

Originally Posted by Bahnzo20201

Can I ask how is it that you assign these tactics to each club? Do they need to replace the default tactic in the "Quick Tactics" section of the club in the Team Management?

Originally Posted by lungfull

yes they become the new default tactic for that type of team....

See, here's where it got confused. I asked if they needed to be replaced in the "Quick Tactics" and was told "Yes".

[Slid593]

I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works here, because personally i think you have got it wrong on some accounts.

First relegation battlers, i would say this approach would be a counter attacking one thus i'd set my team up in a different one then what you've suggested.


Build up

Speed - i'd go for pretty quick around the 75% mark, idea is to win the ball back and counter as quick as possible

Passing - i'd go for mixed around the 50% mark, when your a weaker team you need to keep the formation compact so this gives players a chance to play it simple or go long if necessary

Positioning - Organised, quite obvious to be honest.

Chance Creation

Passing 30% you dont want to give the ball away too often, also you dont want players running out of position you need to keep the formation compact

Crossing - Think this all depends on the formation and players at your disposal as well as how you play the game.

Shooting - I'd have this set to low, you dont want your midfielders vacating there position and pushing too far forward and any chances you get which will be limited you need to take them wasting shots with lower quality players is a bad idea if you ask me.

Positioning - Organised, again you dont want players running out of position

Defence

Pressure - I'd put this around 20%, idea is to sit deep invite the opponent on to you then break quick.

Aggression - Same as Pressure around 20%, idea is to contain the opponent dont leave gaps in the formation get as many men behind the balll as possible then break quick when you get the ball.

Team Width - Again this should be set low around 30% To minimize gaps in the formation and keep it compact

Def Line - Cover, Your sitting deep already so no need to play the offside trap

Now if your playing with one of the big boys and facing a smaller club then its alot different. I'm not going to go through it all but things you should bear in mind are:

Play wide, to get around the opposition

Fast Tempo

High Def line, however you have to make sure you have a quick back 4.

High Aggression, to win the balll back as soon as possible.

Offside Trap - Once again make sure you have a quick defender, but high defensive line and cover is a recipe for disaster. However in the game so can the Offside trap, especially online, so be wary.

I'm a PC Football Manager veteran, without wanting to dumb down FIFA it simulates tactical creation far better, and the above is pretty much how you'd set up a teams who face different challenges

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by Bahnzo20201

No, the problem is I was assuming that you needed to assign tactics in the "Quick Tactics" section. I was making it more complicated than it needed to be. For what it's worth tho, there are no explicit details explaining how to make these changes.

Bahnzo! May be I should have clarified it a bit more. See I also use XBOX 360. What you need to do is to create model tactics for various category teams. For instance, as far as the relegation battlers are concerned, pick one team, in my case, I chose Stoke. I modified the custom tactics of Stoke as a relegation battler and saved it as 'Custom X Stoke', X being a number.

Now I go to say, West Brom, and go to their custom tactics. Once you go in, by default the cursor would be something called 'West Brom Default', if you press A (in XBOX 360) all your saved tactics would be visible. Now choose 'Custom X Stoke' and keep pressing B until you come out. That's it. If you go into the West Brom custom tactics again, you can see that the tactic applied is 'Custom X Stoke'. Now you need to do this for all relegation battlers with Stoke as the model tactics for relegation battlers.

Similarly my model mid-tabler is Newcastle. My model euro-arpirant is Everton. Did you get? Let me know if you have any further doubts!

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by Slid593

I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works here, because personally i think you have got it wrong on some accounts.

First relegation battlers, i would say this approach would be a counter attacking one thus i'd set my team up in a different one then what you've suggested.


Build up

Speed - i'd go for pretty quick around the 75% mark, idea is to win the ball back and counter as quick as possible

Defence

Aggression - Same as Pressure around 20%, idea is to contain the opponent dont leave gaps in the formation get as many men behind the balll as possible then break quick when you get the ball.

Hey Slid593,

I have an opinion as far as the above are concerned. When you set the speed as high as 75%, your players would really push up when they have the ball. And when you tackle and win the ball from them (which you could without much difficulty), they'll be stranded with few players on their own half to stop you. You'll see huge space to operate. Whereas relegation battlers are more concerned about not conceding than scoring themselves.

Also if you set the aggression to 20, they won't tackle you at all. The whole purpose of the custom tactic tweaking is to cut down the throughballs and the resultant frequent one-on-ones. If you set aggression to 20, you can do that route one thingy quite easily, making it a bit unrealistic.

My two pence!

[Slid593]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Hey Slid593,

I have an opinion as far as the above are concerned. When you set the speed as high as 75%, your players would really push up when they have the ball. And when you tackle and win the ball from them (which you could without much difficulty), they'll be stranded with few players on their own half to stop you. You'll see huge space to operate. Whereas relegation battlers are more concerned about not conceding than scoring themselves.

Also if you set the aggression to 20, they won't tackle you at all. The whole purpose of the custom tactic tweaking is to cut down the throughballs and the resultant frequent one-on-ones. If you set aggression to 20, you can do that route one thingy quite easily, making it a bit unrealistic.

My two pence!

I see what your saying but in when playing counter attack you need to get your midfield pushing up to help support, if they dont they have very few options resulting in you losing the ball, I've played online with such an effect using LA Galaxy against 5 star teams with excellent results. Keeping your aggression low allows your team to keep it's shape better containing the opposition so you can get as many men back as possible, aggression set too high can leave gaps in your defence when facing a break from the opposition. I also set team mentallity to defensive and i've managed to stop the resulting throughballs. This approach takes patience though as when the opposition has the ball it's tempting to close down the ball carrier, if you do it to early your in it up to your neck you have to sacrifice a certain amount of possession for it to work.

I now use this tactic in all my games online regardless if i'm using LA Galaxy or Barcelona, due to the fact your always likely to come up against players using quick strikers and lob throughball. If i'm playing MM then i've got tactics for dominating teams, tactics for possession football and counter attack, but to be honest there's no need for them the AI plays a way no human opponent does they dont constantly hold down speed when they get the ball to Ronaldo they pass the ball more, allowing you to get players back in defence and once you get half decent at FIFA the AI no longer poses a threat.

[bluchampblogger]

When you're playing as a big team, AI not a threat at all, unless you play against another big team. I'm not suggesting to tweak tactics to numb the opponent AI. In fact, I'm trying to strengthen the opponent AI so that we get a better challenge. You're saying that "aggression set too high can leave gaps in your defence when facing a break from the opposition". I disagree. Only when pressure is also high, it wil leave gaps in defence. When the pressure is set to 20 or 30 and aggression is set to 75, the opponent AI defenders will hold their ground, will not wander outside of their zone to win possession but if the attacker gets closer, they will tackle and win the ball. Therefore, setting 75 for aggression and 30 for pressure will not leave gaps in defence.

[babakula55]

Can't someone who's done the big leagues upload the settings so I can be used for lazy guys like me

I want to try it out before I sell the game...