Custom tactics suggestions for realistic gameplay in FIFA 09

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

That shows how much you've read the OP and how much you've understood that. Now tell me what made you think that 'whole point'? Why did you think so? I'm waiting.

Okay, tell me if this gets too complicated for you and I'll try to break it down into simpler tems for you.

Tactics are a control for the AI instruction eg. with a team that is set to "short passing" players off the ball (of the team in possetion) will move towards the player with the ball to create "short passing" opportunities.

Every team currently has their own default tactics.

These default tactics tell the teams to play in a certain individual way.

You are suggesting that we should get rid of all these unique default tactics for any team that isn't one of the big teams (eg, the "big 4" of the premier league).

We should instead replace them with 3 very similar tactical settings for three types of teams.

Because the previous individual tactical settings have been changed to 3 nearly identical generic settings, the AI instruction controlled by the tactical settings for all these teams will be nearly identical.

This will therefore mean that all these teams will behave in a similar way.

This will therefore reduce the variety in the gameplay.


Do you understand now, or did you not actually bother to read what I've written/have the intellectual capacity to understand the very simple concept I'm explaining to you?

[has7]

I hv gave a friends request , now what do I do?

[DOA KappaTango]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

Okay, tell me if this gets too complicated for you and I'll try to break it down into simpler tems for you.

Tactics are a control for the AI instruction eg. with a team that is set to "short passing" players off the ball (of the team in possetion) will move towards the player with the ball to create "short passing" opportunities.

Every team currently has their own default tactics.

These default tactics tell the teams to play in a certain individual way.

You are suggesting that we should get rid of all these unique default tactics for any team that isn't one of the big teams (eg, the "big 4" of the premier league).

We should instead replace them with 3 very similar tactical settings for three types of teams.

Because the previous individual tactical settings have been changed to 3 nearly identical generic settings, the AI instruction controlled by the tactical settings for all these teams will be nearly identical.

This will therefore mean that all these teams will behave in a similar way.

This will therefore reduce the variety in the gameplay.


Do you understand now, or did you not actually bother to read what I've written/have the intellectual capacity to understand the very simple concept I'm explaining to you?

Spot on mate, well said.

To put this another way.

I like chocolate. I like the variety of chocolate:

Kinder
Mars
Snickers
Aero
LionBar
Flake
DippedFLake
Maltesers
Bounty

The list could go on.

To go by the OPs rule, to increase the VARIETY of my chocolate enjoyment, I should get rid of n number of chocolate bars and just Keep the big 4:

Mars
Snickers
Flake
Bounty

....... That does sound like alot of Variety to me

[JACKNITE]

I LOVE the metaphor DOA, especially as I have a RED bounty waiting for me in the fridge

[DOA KappaTango]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

I LOVE the metaphor DOA, especially as I have a RED bounty waiting for me in the fridge

Thanks - I just dont get how less is more in this situation

[has7]

bluechamp why arn't you accepting my xbl friends request?

[bluchampblogger]

I'm traveling now but still I'm responding to you. All the variety/realism I was talking was in your goal scoring.

As I said earlier, LUNGFULL explained you so well expecting you to be of certain level of intellect.

I'm amazed how you can't understand simple things.

[has7]

so u lalala accept my friends request

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by has7

bluechamp why arn't you accepting my xbl friends request?

I'm traveling now. I'd be home in 10 days. I'd accept them.

[has7]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

I'm traveling now. I'd be home in 10 days. I'd accept them.

ok but who is using your xbox then?

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by has7

ok but who is using your xbox then?

I hope none, unless my mom really wanted to play tiger woods pga 09 :-)

[has7]

yeah it must of been because it was that game

[bluchampblogger]

Doa and the other guy

Your attempt at humour fails miserably. Doa, I never said that with batches of tactics would improve the variety in AI gameplay. It's funny that you guys seem to understand the way you want to and make paragraphs and analogies. One advice: Read & understand.

You guys simply dont want to understand. All that you seem to have done is just to read the solution/suggestion and make comments on it. Why dont you look at the background first? That would help save me a lot of time (but you seem to enjoy the result of your lack of understanding).

Try understanding why I suggest this in the first place. I never set out to improve the variety of the AI's game. I cant make it simpler than this. Read the OP. Make an effort. See the cause, the reason behind the suggestion.

If you still need a clue, the generic batches of tactics settings is NOT the idea. It is just the vehicle. Just try to understand why this generic setting suggestion came into the picture io the first place.

The original unaltered FIFA 09 is an boring game to play beyond a few weeks. These tweaks have certainly improved my FIFA 09 experience, as it has done for many others. I can completely disregard any endless theoretical arguments and discussions because it has worked beautifully for me and many others. In the OP, I've explained why they should improve FIFA 09.

I'll login to this forum after 10 days. If I still find you missing the simple point and yapping away to glory about what you think this all about, I might faint.

[JACKNITE]

Blu, I'm simply stunned by your inability to understand the point I'm making and address it.

I haven't said that the purpose of your suggestion was to add variety to the way the AI works. If you think otherwise please quote me where you think I have.

What I have said however is that your suggestion would REDUCE the AI variety of the opposition. You seem however to be completely incapable of addressing this matter. The only possiable reason I can think of for you to constantly skirt around this matter is that you are aware that I'm completely right, but unfortunately your ego will not allow you to admit this fact or that your original suggestion is infact quite idiotic.

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

I hope none, unless my mom really wanted to play tiger woods pga 09 :-)

lalalala you're a grown man and live with your mommy?

[lungfull]

each team still has its custom formation.....we havent touched that...thats give you a huge amount of dif styles of play...

please get it into your head that it isnt as black and white as your making out...

it you aint tried it dont knock it....

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by lungfull

each team still has its custom formation.....we havent touched that...thats give you a huge amount of dif styles of play...

please get it into your head that it isnt as black and white as your making out...

it you aint tried it dont knock it....

As i have said before - doing what is suggested will REDUCE AI TACTICAL VARIATION in your opponents.

This DOESN'T mean that there will then be NO variation in gameplay, because your opponents will still have different formations, their players will have different stats and what you do will still have a big effect on what happens in the game.

HOWEVER nearly all of your opponents will have the same AI tactical instruction, which will mean that they will all try to play in the same manner, making what they do more predictable and REDUDE (not elliminate) variety in the gameplay.

To make an example, if you set all your opponents to play a deep defence that's what they'll do (and having a slight varience of 5 points on this will not make much difference). If all the teams you play do this then there will be less variation and because you will get used to your opponents playing like this you will find what they do is more predictable.

If you think that I'm wrong on this matter then please explain HOW.

[bluchampblogger]

Jack

You don't understand and I dont care to spend time to teach you. If you dont understand these simple things so be it. Read my earlier posts (importantly the OP) and UNDERSTAND why generic tactics are set up. I'm saying this for the last time - They HAVE NOT negatively affected my FIFA experience, instead they've vastly improved. I'm saying this out of my practice and experience.

BTW, I live in the part of the world we dont desert our aged parents. My mom and dad live with me and not the other way round. You showed your class with that comment. Keep it up.

Lungfull - we are wasting our time on a TROLL. We are helping him by feeding him.

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

Blu, I'm simply stunned by your inability to understand the point I'm making and address it.

I haven't said that the purpose of your suggestion was to add variety to the way the AI works. If you think otherwise please quote me where you think I have.

What I have said however is that your suggestion would REDUCE the AI variety of the opposition. You seem however to be completely incapable of addressing this matter. The only possiable reason I can think of for you to constantly skirt around this matter is that you are aware that I'm completely right, but unfortunately your ego will not allow you to admit this fact or that your original suggestion is infact quite idiotic.

Once agin you have failed to address the point that I've raised. I've already stated why I think you continue to evade responding to a very simple point (As you can see in the quote above).

It's quite pathetic really that your only response is that is that I don't "understand". Well, if I don't understand then please explain to me how your suggestion wont reduce AI tactical variety in your opponents.

[has7]

can someone bump the most recent tactics for me please

[has7]

i disagree with the speed of la liga and serie a euro teams

[bluchampblogger]

By creating batches of generic tactics, if one thinks that the tactical variety of the AI is not reduced, s/he must be terribly stupid. I keep saying that's what happens with generic sets. Some of up have also discussed why we go for generic sets though that's not the ideal option. That's why I keep telling you to 'understand the reason and root cause behind the suggestion.

If you still think it is a bad solution, that's your wish. I'm not selling a product here. I won't care if you play football or cricket. Cheers!

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

By creating batches of generic tactics, if one thinks that the tactical variety of the AI is not reduced, s/he must be terribly stupid. I keep saying that's what happens with generic sets. Some of up have also discussed why we go for generic sets though that's not the ideal option. That's why I keep telling you to 'understand the reason and root cause behind the suggestion.

If you still think it is a bad solution, that's your wish. I'm not selling a product here. I won't care if you play football or cricket. Cheers!

FINALLY!

So after all those pointless responses from you, you finally admit that what I'm saying is correct - that doing what you suggest will reduce AI variety.

So, why didn't you just say that in the first place?

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

FINALLY!

So after all those pointless responses from you, you finally admit that what I'm saying is correct - that doing what you suggest will reduce AI variety.

So, why didn't you just say that in the first place?

You are so funny! What's there to admit? Even blind can see it. All I was saying was this solution improved my FIFA09 experience but you called this a stupid solution. I'll talk to you on that later. I can't type much from my mobile.

You have no focus over what you want to talk about! You need some help.

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

You are so funny! What's there to admit? Even blind can see it. All I was saying was this solution improved my FIFA09 experience but you called this a stupid solution. I'll talk to you on that later. I can't type much from my mobile.

You have no focus over what you want to talk about! You need some help.

I have no focus, lol. I kept pointing out one major problem with your suggestion, you just kept calling me stupid for saying it and skirting round the issue.

You have now confirmed that your suggsetion seriously harms the variety in the gameplay and makes it's a pretty stupid thing to do.

[lungfull]

stop goin on about it for crying out loud.....it doesnt make that much difference....