Custom tactics suggestions for realistic gameplay in FIFA 09

[has7]

bluechamp good work I hv 2questions 1- how do I access your FIFA locker and 2- I use man utd so should I leave there's as default?

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

lalalala! look at the ego on you!

You just don't get it, do you?

What you are suggesting is that it's a good idea to give all "types" of teams the same generic tactics. ie. All relegation battlers will play the same way.

HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED REAL FOOTBALL?

Do you see West Brom playing the same style of football as Stoke?

While your suggestion would leave teams formations intact, allowing some variety for play, all the teams would behave in a predictable way because they'd have the same tactics.

This really is the most idiotic suggestion I have EVER heard!...

Oh no, actually that would be the one where you suggested the best way to enjoy the game is to only play exhibition matches, yeah good one that - Exhibition Matches - The Best of FIFA 09

Jokenite

You seem to have a problem understanding stuff. Are you 8 years old?

Btw, I've 'responded' to you in the other thread as well.

I think you're wasting your time as well as ours. None of us get any value in your posts. May be you get some ego points. But do us a favour. You've given your opinion. Thanks. Now just move.

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Jokenite

You seem to have a problem understanding stuff. Are you 8 years old?

Btw, I've 'responded' to you in the other thread as well.

I think you're wasting your time as well as ours. None of us get any value in your posts. May be you get some ego points. But do us a favour. You've given your opinion. Thanks. Now just move.

Well done, congratulations for not addressing one of the points I've made.

"None of us get any value in your post" - So you now speak on behalf of the whole forum?

I tell you what, why not check out some of my post/threads and actually see what kind of feedback I get from the forum community?

"Maybe you get some ego points." - What on earth are you going on about? What is posting on a forum supposed to have to do with ego? It's essentially annoymous, and I'll most likely never meet any of the people on here in real life. I think this just illustraites that your attitude towards involvement in this forum is more about ego for YOU!

"Now just move on" - What, is that supposed to be some kind of instruction. This is an open forum. As long as I post within the forum rules I am free to post what and where I want.

You obviously have an inability to defend your suggestions against the points I've made. I wouldn't expect you to suddenly believe that your suggestion actually is as idiotic as i think it is, but showing an understanding/appreciation of the issues I've raised about your suggestion shouldn't dent you ego too much, should it? or is it really that fragile?

[bluchampblogger]

Jokenite

What are the 'YOUR POINTS' that you're so proud about? People have bashed you right, left and centre. I thought you must have understood.

We all know that FIFA 09 is not the perfect game but it has a lot of potential. The original FIFA is very unrealistic. All goals are from throughballs, plays like pinball, way too fast even in slow and so on. The tweaks are meant to improve what was already made by FIFA. The tweaks are no way the fully realistic football game. It's an attempt to get as close as possible.

I have tried and I absolutely love it. So many people have tried it, liked it and are using it. People have spent hours and hours editing player values and custom tactics only because it makes FIFA 09 more realistic. Check this thread - 685 responses and 29,474 views.

Unless you have tried it, your logic based on theory has no value. I don't think I need to be telling you all this. I'm just telling you this because I don't want you to think you're right when you're not.

Plus, keep your attitude in check.

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by has7

bluechamp good work I hv 2questions 1- how do I access your FIFA locker and 2- I use man utd so should I leave there's as default?

I use XBOX 360 and my gamertag is vjkrishna. Send me a friend invite. I'll accept and you can view my locker. If you're using Man Utd, you can leave them as it is. May be you want to reduce the pressure. Anyway, when you defend you'll dictate the pressure. For the defenders that you don't control, lower pressure will be safer (keep an eye on offsides).

[JACKNITE]

My god, you're infuriatingly obtuse/plain stupid...

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Jokenite

What are the 'YOUR POINTS' that you're so proud about? People have bashed you right, left and centre. I thought you must have understood.

If you want to see the points I made, why not try reading my posts here? or is that too obvious?

People have bashed me left right and center. You truly are delusional, have you looked at any of the threads I've started too see the responses they've recieved.

Unlike you, I do not expect everyone to agree with my opinions. That's the whole point of a forum. But you seem unable to accept the fact that someone might challenge your suggestions. What's more, you haven't even put forward any kind of counter argument.

We all know that FIFA 09 is not the perfect game but it has a lot of potential. The original FIFA is very unrealistic. All goals are from throughballs, plays like pinball, way too fast even in slow and so on. The tweaks are meant to improve what was already made by FIFA. The tweaks are no way the fully realistic football game. It's an attempt to get as close as possible.

"All goals are from throughballs" why don't you check out the vids on EAFW, I'm pretty sure that you'll find other kinds of chance creations on there.

I have tried and I absolutely love it. So many people have tried it, liked it and are using it. People have spent hours and hours editing player values and custom tactics only because it makes FIFA 09 more realistic. Check this thread - 685 responses and 29,474 views.

Unless you have tried it, your logic based on theory has no value. I don't think I need to be telling you all this. I'm just telling you this because I don't want you to think you're right when you're not.

You don't want me to think that I'm right? Why does it bother you that I don't agree with you. Are you really that arrogant that you believe that nobodys opinions but yours are valid?

Plus, keep your attitude in check.

Keep my attitude in check? aside from being laughable, where do you think you have any kind of right to tell me how to behave? If you think my posts go beyond the bounds of what's acceptable then you should inform a MOD. If you don't like the fact that I don't doff my cap to you, well, you know what? That's your problem.

[bluchampblogger]

Jokenite

It's your day today. I can't waste time like something on you. So it's your day. March on!!!

[lungfull]

jokenight....

the problem is that we've actually tried these changes and know for a fact that games arnt repetative...

and as far as we & a number of others are concerned gameplay is improved by them...

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by lungfull

jokenight....

the problem is that we've actually tried these changes and know for a fact that games arnt repetative...

and as far as we & a number of others are concerned gameplay is improved by them...

There you are! That's the point. As I keep saying I'm no football guru or FIFA guru. It's just that I tried certain things and they worked. So I thought of sharing them with all. 99% of the people that tried these tweaks said that these worked for them immensely. They keep thanking profusely because they have re-invented their FIFA.

Jokenite seems to be missing the key point. Or he does not want to understand!

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by lungfull

jokenight....

the problem is that we've actually tried these changes and know for a fact that games arnt repetative...

and as far as we & a number of others are concerned gameplay is improved by them...

I used to play an Arsenal v Man Utd warm up exhibition match offline, and like what you're saying implies (because the standard tactic of my opponent was always the same), these weren't exceptionally repetitive. This will be because there are a lot of other variables that effect gameplay, but possiably also because I was playing other games inbetween.

The reason I don't think this is a good idea is simply because the style of your opponents play will become more predictable, because the teams you are playing will all have a similarity in the way they play.

If you've tried this and enjoyed the game more this way, then I'm honestly glad for you. But, just as a suggestion to see an element of how this effects the game, why not try the following suggestion.

Pick two teams, for the purposes clarity pick man utd as your opponent and a 5* team for yourself. Play two exhibition matches with the same setup. Now change Man Utds tactics to the Barca default one.

How was the difference in gameplay?

[DOA KappaTango]

I love the way BC is so "all seeing" and "Master of Fifa", yet he finds it funny to call you Jokenight and accuse YOU of behaving like an 8 year old.

LOL, BC : respond with fact and have a discussion - resorting to immature insults on someones forum name, or trying to humiliate them by inferring that they are juvenile is just pathetic.

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by DOA KappaTango

I love the way BC is so "all seeing" and "Master of Fifa", yet he finds it funny to call you Jokenight and accuse YOU of behaving like an 8 year old.

LOL, BC : respond with fact and have a discussion - resorting to immature insults on someones forum name, or trying to humiliate them by inferring that they are juvenile is just pathetic.

DKT

There is nothing further to discuss. I've said it all in the original post. All he is trying to say is that these tweaks will create more imbalance in the game. All that he says is purely based on theory. What I'm saying is, try it out, if you like it, fine. If you don't ignore.

I don't have to prove why or how it works. The proof is in the pudding. if it works, as a gamer, why should I care about discussing how. That's why we have 'masters of FIFA' like yourselves and him.

Am I clear?

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

There you are! That's the point. As I keep saying I'm no football guru or FIFA guru. It's just that I tried certain things and they worked. So I thought of sharing them with all. 99% of the people that tried these tweaks said that these worked for them immensely. They keep thanking profusely because they have re-invented their FIFA.

Jokenite seems to be missing the key point. Or he does not want to understand!

It's surely possiable that 99% of people that have looked at this suggestion thought it was idiotic and didn't bother to do it?

Now are we to say that the remaining people that have given you feed back are ABSOLUTELY right that this will DEFFINATELY improve the game for EVERYONE?

If people do what you say and enjoy the results, good for them, BUT what they've essentially done is make the AI variety take a BIG step backwards.

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

DKT

There is nothing further to discuss. I've said it all in the original post. All he is trying to say is that these tweaks will create more imbalance in the game. All that he says is purely based on theory. What I'm saying is, try it out, if you like it, fine. If you don't ignore.

I don't have to prove why or how it works. The proof is in the pudding. if it works, as a gamer, why should I care about discussing how. That's why we have 'masters of FIFA' like yourselves and him.

Am I clear?

Clear as ditch water.

ACTUALLY READ MY POSTS. Now, please quote me where I say it will "create more imballance in the game".

What I've actually said that doing what you suggest will create less variety in the AI from team to team. Please explain to me how this possiably couldn't be the case.

[bluchampblogger]

Mathematically, you're right.

By doing all this, you would NOT take AI steps backwards, it will only make the game better for all those reasons mentioned in the original post.

I'm telling you for the millionth time. Try it. If it helps, use it, don't even tell me. If it doesn't help, come and say here that it doesn't help you. As simple as that.

[bluchampblogger]

Man,

'Lungfull' did explain you like he was explaining a 5-year old. Of course, it would create batches of custom tactics because there are only a certain number of custom tactics slot in FIFA 09. DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS WHEN HE SAID THIS?

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

That's why we have 'masters of FIFA' like yourselves and him.

Please point me to the basis for the claim the either DOA or myself belive ourselves to be masters of FIFA?

Oh, it's because we disagree with you!

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Mathematically, you're right.

By doing all this, you would NOT take AI steps backwards, it will only make the game better for all those reasons mentioned in the original post.

I'm telling you for the millionth time. Try it. If it helps, use it, don't even tell me. If it doesn't help, come and say here that it doesn't help you. As simple as that.

Mathematically I'm right, yet you think I'm wrong.

Sorry, can you please quote the part of the OP where it talks about AI tactical variety?

[bluchampblogger]

I'm sure you're joking. The whole post is about that. When you put teams in a certain bracket such as 'relegation battlers' and set tactics for them, you tend to have batches of custom tactics. Is that so difficult to understand?

Now tell me, what did you make of LUNGFULL's lengthy explanation to make you understand?

[bluchampblogger]

If you had read the OP, it ends with this:

P.S: The slider values are based on my own opinions and preferences. Please change it for yourself if you wish. Don't need to bash me but certainly we can have a matured discussion on what the sliders should be. But I have tested the above values and they work for me superbly.

How did you miss this?

[DOA KappaTango]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

DKT

That's why we have 'masters of FIFA' like yourselves and him.

Am I clear?

I don't recall ever saying I am a master of Fifa. I am a defender of manual play, yes, but I do not on the other hand assume that makes me better or worse than anyone else.

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

Try it. If it helps, use it, don't even tell me. If it doesn't help, come and say here that it doesn't help you. As simple as that.

When you give you feedback on why it doesnt work, you get defensive and start throwing childish accusations around.

Making threads in the manner and tone that you do just leaves you open to discussion. If you are not able to handle criticsm or feedback, you may as well just make your posts in a private diary instead of a public forum.

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

I'm sure you're joking. The whole post is about that. When you put teams in a certain bracket such as 'relegation battlers' and set tactics for them, you tend to have batches of custom tactics. Is that so difficult to understand?

Now tell me, what did you make of LUNGFULL's lengthy explanation to make you understand?

So let me get this straight - by taking the majority of teams in a league which each have their own individual default tactics and changeing them all to one of three default tactic you create more variety in the AI tactics?

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

So let me get this straight - by taking the majority of teams in a league which each have their own individual default tactics and changeing them all to one of three default tactic you create more variety in the AI tactics?

No. It would not create more variety in AI tactics. Where did I say so?

[JACKNITE]

Originally Posted by bluchampblogger

No. It would not create more variety in AI tactics. Where did I say so?

Jesus, you're dense!

My whole point was that by doing you're suggestion you'd create less variety in the opponents AI tactics!

Time for you to go and sit in the corner with a dunces hat on.

[bluchampblogger]

Originally Posted by JACKNITE

Jesus, you're dense!

My whole point was that by doing you're suggestion you'd create less variety in the opponents AI tactics!

Time for you to go and sit in the corner with a dunces hat on.

That shows how much you've read the OP and how much you've understood that. Now tell me what made you think that 'whole point'? Why did you think so? I'm waiting.