I found the fix for the stamina/sprinting bug!!!

[Wan_Car_Lhos]

Inside the ai.ini of the config.dat, exported with File Manager 09:

// ranges for attributes
ATTRIBUTE_AVG = 60
ATTRIBUTE_GOOD = 75
ATTRIBUTE_EX = 90

DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY = 0.5

DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY is the modifier that cuts sprinting speed down when the player starts getting tired. Raise this, and it doesn't nerf it so bad. I raised it to 1.0, and I think it improves the gameplay a lot, as the player can sprint at almost full speed pretty much until their fatigue gets into the red. I haven't played around all that much with specific values, but higher would probably get fatigue not to affect sprint speed at all, depending on the realism you want here. But at 1.0 you don't feel like you need to sub as soon as their fatigue touches the yellow, which means I can make runs again just like in 08!!

I haven't been able to find the modifiers to say how much of each other attribute is affected by fatigue, but for now I think this improves the game a lot, and balances it out significantly, especially in lower leagues, where wingerlalalala the red at around 70 mins of playtime.

I hope this helps everyone!

EDIT: Here are some modified config.dat files, based on the feedback I have received:

WCLfix v0.8.8

• Players can sprint at full speed longer into the fatigue level

WCLfix v0.8.9

• Players can sprint at full speed longer into the fatigue level
• Same-team collision thresholds have been raised, decreasing collision intensity
• Team momentum is enabled

WCLfix v0.9.0

• Players can sprint at full speed longer into the fatigue level
• Same-team collision thresholds have been raised, decreasing collision intensity

WCLfix v1.0.0

• Players can sprint at full speed longer into the fatigue level (ai.ini)
• Same-team collision thresholds have been raised, decreasing collision intensity
• Team momentum is enabled
• Set attributes affected by fatigue to AGGRESSION, AWARENESS, ACCELERATION, BALANCE, BALLCONTROL, CROSSING, DRIBBLING, HEADING, LONGBALLS, MARKING, PACE, PASSING, REFLEXES, SHOTACCURACY, SHOTPOWER, STRENGTH, TACKLING, INJURYPRONE
• No attributes are set to be affected by morale

Special thanks to davidmmac who had saved the files, so I could re-upload them after I deleted them like an idiot.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by Wan_Car_Lhos

Inside the ai.ini of the config.dat, exported with File Manager 09:

// ranges for attributes
ATTRIBUTE_AVG = 60
ATTRIBUTE_GOOD = 75
ATTRIBUTE_EX = 90

DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY = 0.5

DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY is the modifier that cuts sprinting speed down when the player starts getting tired. Raise this, and it doesn't nerf it so bad. I raised it to 1.0, and I think it improves the gameplay a lot, as the player can sprint at almost full speed pretty much until their fatigue gets into the red. I haven't played around all that much with specific values, but higher would probably get fatigue not to affect sprint speed at all, depending on the realism you want here. But at 1.0 you don't feel like you need to sub as soon as their fatigue touches the yellow, which means I can make runs again just like in 08!!

I haven't been able to find the modifiers to say how much of each other attribute is affected by fatigue, but for now I think this improves the game a lot, and balances it out significantly, especially in lower leagues, where wingerlalalala the red at around 70 mins of playtime.

I hope this helps everyone!

Nice one! Could you post the modded config.dat, or is it too big? I don't understand how to use File Master at all, it's the most confusing tool I've ever come across!

[Pukar]

Originally Posted by Wan_Car_Lhos

Inside the ai.ini of the config.dat, exported with File Manager 09:

// ranges for attributes
ATTRIBUTE_AVG = 60
ATTRIBUTE_GOOD = 75
ATTRIBUTE_EX = 90

DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY = 0.5

DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY is the modifier that cuts sprinting speed down when the player starts getting tired. Raise this, and it doesn't nerf it so bad. I raised it to 1.0, and I think it improves the gameplay a lot, as the player can sprint at almost full speed pretty much until their fatigue gets into the red. I haven't played around all that much with specific values, but higher would probably get fatigue not to affect sprint speed at all, depending on the realism you want here. But at 1.0 you don't feel like you need to sub as soon as their fatigue touches the yellow, which means I can make runs again just like in 08!!

I haven't been able to find the modifiers to say how much of each other attribute is affected by fatigue, but for now I think this improves the game a lot, and balances it out significantly, especially in lower leagues, where wingerlalalala the red at around 70 mins of playtime.

I hope this helps everyone!

yep! I'm also having trouble with File manager. Plz put the modded config.dat file for download. Its not large. Its just few KBs. thanx.

[jlroberts]

An easier fix is to use faster players and stop sprinting so much

[kingxtreme]

OnTopic: Good job man !

Offtopic:Can someone give a link from where I can download file manager ? cheers.

[The Doctor76]

Please post the dat.config file mate, as said above, it's only a few KBs. Use filefront or somewhere like that, eh? Rapidshare is rubbish.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by jlroberts

An easier fix is to use faster players and stop sprinting so much

And what if you're playing a lower league campaign? Think before you post. Anyway, it doesn't work, no matter how little you sprint, as soon as you do a long one, wingers get tired too quickly!

[98182]

I'm a bit confused. From the name, it seems the more we increase the value the more it penalizes dribble speed!

[Wan_Car_Lhos]

The penalty at 0.5 means that their speed drops by 1/2 when their tired, I think. When you bring it up to 1.0, they run a normal sprint pretty much all the time, like it was in 08.

Here is the modded config.dat.

The only change here is the sprinting speed.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by Wan_Car_Lhos

The penalty at 0.5 means that their speed drops by 1/2 when their tired, I think. When you bring it up to 1.0, they run a normal sprint pretty much all the time, like it was in 08.

If you could upload the dat.config file and tell me what you've changed (stamina/first touch etc), I'd be happy to test it.

[nutunited]

File master is very easy. Select config.dat in the left-hand pane - in the right pane select ai.ini - click export. Save it somewhere you'll remember. Open the ai.ini file wherever you exported it to. Find the DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY and change it to what you want. Save. Go back to file master and click import - choose the ai.ini file you've edited. Done.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by nutunited

File master is very easy. Select config.dat in the left-hand pane - in the right pane select ai.ini - click export. Save it somewhere you'll remember. Open the ai.ini file wherever you exported it to. Find the DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY and change it to what you want. Save. Go back to file master and click import - choose the ai.ini file you've edited. Done.

Thanks, I'll give it a try, might even help with this net patch I've been having trouble with (not the one posted here).

[Wan_Car_Lhos]

I'll post one with additional changes to game momentum, player collisions (esp. same team), and 1st touches later, probably this evening (EST)

[The Doctor76]

Nice one, buddy. Do you know if that file affects heading physics at all?

[Arazar]

Wow, why dont you change it so you get 2 goals instead of 1 every time you score?

Seriously though how would sprinting for 90 mins in the game be fun? It's just completely pointless and takes the fun and realism out of the game. Pointless HAX.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by Arazar

Wow, why dont you change it so you get 2 goals instead of 1 every time you score?

Seriously though how would sprinting for 90 mins in the game be fun? It's just completely pointless and takes the fun and realism out of the game. Pointless HAX.

He's not saying that. He's saying that he's going to change it so a player can still run when their stamina goes yellow. It's ridiculous that many players can't run the full length of the pitch without slowing up! And if you say otherwise, then you obviously don't watch much football, they run up and down all game, even at lower league levels!

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by nutunited

File master is very easy. Select config.dat in the left-hand pane - in the right pane select ai.ini - click export. Save it somewhere you'll remember. Open the ai.ini file wherever you exported it to. Find the DRIBBLE_SPEED_PENALTY and change it to what you want. Save. Go back to file master and click import - choose the ai.ini file you've edited. Done.

Thanks for that! I understand it completely now, as I do DB Master. Both are excellent tools.

Edit: I've just noticed a 'sunset' variable. If I change that to '1', will it mess up the game, or will some matches actually happen at sunset automatically in Management Mode? If I give a stadium 'overcast', will it happen a lot, or is there a variable you can change so that Italy, for example, is less likely to have overcast or rainy days than England?

I was hoping for a crowd variable for different coloured crowds(maybe there was something that EA didn't include in the game), but no joy.

[tomgujin]

why dont we just change all players superman that can fly, wouldnt that be a nice idea. no fatigue, everyone can just have 99 skills... i rather leave the game as default, cos it is what it is. but i actually like the feeling when i use my half star dagenham to beat liverpool 2-0 in a fa cup game on legendary level, its not about speed and sprint, cos i have none at all, but how u play is the key.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by tomgujin

why dont we just change all players superman that can fly, wouldnt that be a nice idea. no fatigue, everyone can just have 99 skills... i rather leave the game as default, cos it is what it is. but i actually like the feeling when i use my half star dagenham to beat liverpool 2-0 in a fa cup game on legendary level, its not about speed and sprint, cos i have none at all, but how u play is the key.

Sure, if you want to play without sprinting at all! If we'd all have left the game 'as it is', then it would still be as rubbish as when it first came out! Watch a real match and see for yourself how much real players run. They don't get out of breath after just one sprint, do they? They can run for 90mins and still have sprinting left in them. Damn stupid thing to say, leave it as it is!!

[Wan_Car_Lhos]

I found a section in career.ini that sets which attributes are affected by fatigue, so after I look at that we may be able to get players to get tired in more realistic ways than just sprint speed. I haven't had time to fiddle with anything, but the section looks like this:

// List of available player attributes:
//
// AGGRESSION
// AWARENESS
// ACCELERATION
// BALANCE
// BALLCONTROL
// CROSSING
// DRIBBLING
// HEADING
// LONGBALLS
// MARKING
// PACE
// PASSING
// REFLEXES
// RUSHING
// SHOTACCURACY
// SHOTPOWER
// STAMINA
// STRENGTH
// TACKLING
// THROWING
// LEADERSHIP
// CLINICALFINISHER
// SPEEDKING
// RECKLESS
// BALLWINNER
// WORKRATE
// DIVER
// INJURYPRONE
// GREED

and then just a little farther down

// What attributes fatigue impacts
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_BALANCE = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_CROSSING = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_DRIBBLING = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_HEADING = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_LONGBALLS = 1 
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_MARKING = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_PASSING = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_REFLEXES = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_RUSHING = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_SHOTACCURACY = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_SHOTPOWER = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_STAMINA = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_STRENGTH = 1
FATIGUE_AFFECTS_TACKLING = 1

Maybe if we add some more to this list, like FATIGUE_AFFECTS_BALLCONTROL = 1, we can tweak this to make the game a lot more fun.

Oh, and you can't sprint for 90 minutes with impunity. Now a player can play most of a game, sprinting occasionally, and not get crippled after 3 wing runs.

And Doctor - it's good you learned the tool

[tomgujin]

Originally Posted by The Doctor76

Sure, if you want to play without sprinting at all! If we'd all have left the game 'as it is', then it would still be as rubbish as when it first came out! Watch a real match and see for yourself how much real players run. They don't get out of breath after just one sprint, do they? They can run for 90mins and still have sprinting left in them. Damn stupid thing to say, leave it as it is!!

i didnt say i dont use sprint AT ALL, i clearly remember when playing fifa 08, sprinting is very common thing that we do once we are in control of the ball. of course in modern football age people are mostly talking about speed all the time, its true. but nobody sprinting up and down everytime when they are getting the ball arent they? watching football every weekend u tell what is right and wrong. game is a game, for sure fifa 09 has got its features and tried to make the game play better than ever. the games got settings, by changing the code of the game certainly wont satisfy me anyhow, well, ill say its cheating. more or less the same thing iv seen on counter strike when people are using speed or wall hack, thats no fun for me. let u decide for yourself.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by Wan_Car_Lhos

Oh, and you can't sprint for 90 minutes with impunity. Now a player can play most of a game, sprinting occasionally, and not get crippled after 3 wing runs.

And Doctor - it's good you learned the tool

Exactly as it should be.

Originally Posted by tomgujin

i didnt say i dont use sprint AT ALL, i clearly remember when playing fifa 08, sprinting is very common thing that we do once we are in control of the ball. of course in modern football age people are mostly talking about speed all the time, its true. but nobody sprinting up and down everytime when they are getting the ball arent they? watching football every weekend u tell what is right and wrong. game is a game, for sure fifa 09 has got its features and tried to make the game play better than ever. the games got settings, by changing the code of the game certainly wont satisfy me anyhow, well, ill say its cheating. more or less the same thing iv seen on counter strike when people are using speed or wall hack, thats no fun for me. let u decide for yourself.

See above. Are you trying to say that a Championship winger, such as L. Martin from Notts. Forest would be half-dead at half time just because he made a few sprints up and down the wing? As I said before, if these guys were this unfit in real life, they'd never have made it past their first trial as a kid. The patch EA released went some way towards fixing the issue, but it still needs work, especially at any lower league level.

@Carlos: What would be ideal would be if we could figure out a way to make the stamina bar regenerate faster, depending on the player's overall stamina. That way, they'd still need to recover after a long sprint, but it wouldn't take nowhere near as long.

Have you found anything in the files about the heading physics and how we might be able to get some aerial battles happening? Surely if we can find a way for the ball to go up in the air (sometimes) when heading, that'd automatically lead to aerial battles?

[tomgujin]

wouldnt mind ea patch it up and fix it, i wont call that as cheating.

[The Doctor76]

EA did partially fix it (before the patch, the stamina bar didn't go back up at all), but it's still a bit ridiculous at lower league level. It's ok at the top level though. I very much doubt whether they'll do anything else about it in any future patches.

[The Doctor76]

Hmm...

I tried your settings, Carlos and I reckon it nerfs stamina a little bit too much, so I'll tinker with the settings a bit, maybe try something like 0.70 or 0.80?

I still find left sided wingers get tired before anyone else. Any idea why that is? I just had a game with Utd, ran Ronaldo all over the place and Nani hardly did any running. Guess who was more tired?