Paul Hossack's response to NG Debate - Page 3

wakakaka46 · 17-09-2008, 06:10 AM

haha good job MAVIYILDIZ5..

lelentz · 17-09-2008, 07:03 AM

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lol

vickystormo · 17-09-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MAVIYILDIZ5

He has more crimes as well!!
Increase the reward money!!
lol

jacklasbof · 17-09-2008, 10:59 AM

HOSSACK STRATEGY:
...fifa 2010 upgrade stadiums,from current to next gen
...fifa 2011 3d crowds
...fifa 2012 next gen gameplay

miharuhk · 17-09-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MAVIYILDIZ5

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Good job!

christie07081993 · 17-09-2008, 11:12 AM

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hey man you're a GENIUS!
GR8888 JOB!

SoccerPC · 17-09-2008, 02:19 PM

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Appropriate , he stole good 5 years of nice gameplay and still continues ..

jonneymendoza · 17-09-2008, 03:10 PM

imo his making excuses after excuses. check out a game called world in confilct. its a Massive RTS game that relies heavily on AI and physics yet that game runs well on medium settings on my 4 year old pc.

it is more demanding the a soccer game that on deals with players movement and animations. this RTS game deals with actual geographic animations and collisions. things blow up and explode etc.

i can honesly say that this person is taking u all for a ride if you really support his reasons as to why there is no NG fifa09 for the pc.

all there reasons doesnt explain why there is no 10v10 online bap or no custom formations. i guess 3 cores are needed for a bunch of sliders and 10v10 multiplayer online eh when a console cant even deal with 30v30 online on cod4 or in there battlefield series games.

btw gta4 is coming out on the pc and that has more physics and AI then fifa09

AriseForLife · 17-09-2008, 04:40 PM

Many of you need to get a life and stop complaining. You would think that most of you are 10 years old with how immature you are acting. So what the game is using the same animation engine as the 360, the game looks amazing in its current version and leaps and bounds better than PES (yes I have played both and can't stand the visual presentation of PES).

Everyone keeps lalalalaing about this game not looking like Crysis or Call of Duty, etc or the 360 version, NEWS ALERTS lalalalalalas, this is not a FPS and doesn't function the same. He stated the same reason for not making it NG as I stated in one of the other hundred "crybaby its not NG" threads.

If you don't like the fact that FIFA is not NG on the PC buy it on the 360 or shut up, its thats simple.

jonneymendoza · 17-09-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Many of you need to get a life and stop complaining. You would think that most of you are 10 years old with how immature you are acting. So what the game is using the same animation engine as the 360, the game looks amazing in its current version and leaps and bounds better than PES (yes I have played both and can't stand the visual presentation of PES).

Everyone keeps lalalalaing about this game not looking like Crysis or Call of Duty, etc or the 360 version, NEWS ALERTS lalalalalalas, this is not a FPS and doesn't function the same. He stated the same reason for not making it NG as I stated in one of the other hundred "crybaby its not NG" threads.

If you don't like the fact that FIFA is not NG on the PC buy it on the 360 or shut up, its thats simple.

an RTS functions teh same has a footy game. a large area filled with various AI characters and objects yet RTS games can be played without much effort mate.

everyone has a right to express there feelings. if you dont like how some people feel and moan about the game why are you reading there posts and replying to them? calling them moaning lalalalaes and 10 year olds makes you no better then a 10 year old imo.

any mature adult would just be the better guy and just ignore them unless they are personaly attacking you which there not.

SoccerPC · 17-09-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Many of you need to get a life and stop complaining. You would think that most of you are 10 years old with how immature you are acting. So what the game is using the same animation engine as the 360, the game looks amazing in its current version and leaps and bounds better than PES (yes I have played both and can't stand the visual presentation of PES).

Everyone keeps lalalalaing about this game not looking like Crysis or Call of Duty, etc or the 360 version, NEWS ALERTS lalalalalalas, this is not a FPS and doesn't function the same. He stated the same reason for not making it NG as I stated in one of the other hundred "crybaby its not NG" threads.

If you don't like the fact that FIFA is not NG on the PC buy it on the 360 or shut up, its thats simple.

the most kid like comments in this thread. Didnt your mUmmA teach you to respect other people's view? grow up kid.God bless you

AriseForLife · 17-09-2008, 04:54 PM

Terrible example mate. RTS AI for CPU characters function much like bots in a MMO. The characters in FIFA may appear to be doing the same thing, but all have independent AI functions unlike an RTS where repeated actions are common across the board. RTS games are hardly demanding on a CPU regardless of the amount of characters on screen.

I understand everyone has a right to express themself, but its downright pointless and immature to put a wanted sign with his picture on it all because people are not happy with why FIFA is not NG on the PC. You can't help but read the post because the entire topic is *****ing and complaining. If you think what I did is immature that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion so I am not too worried about what you think in that regard.

Do say any mature adult would just ignore because this is a message board and that is the whole point, to post messages and when a new complaining topic appears every 10 seconds for the same matter over and over it becomes redundant and begins to defeat the purpose of the board and ruin the experience of those that are posting for reasons other than complaining. If you are going to complain then complain in the same topic and don't make a million other identical topics as there currently are on the first 10 pages of this forum.

AriseForLife · 17-09-2008, 04:58 PM

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the most kid like comments in this thread. Didnt your mummy tought you to respect other people's view? grow up kid.God bless you

Theres nothing kid-like about my post. By the way its "mommy" and "taught" just for pointers.

I don't respect there views because they are pointless rants and it will not change anything for FIFA 09 so therefore it defeats the purpose of them complaining in the first place. I could understand if the game was possibly going to be pulled back and reworked on, but its not so moaning about FIFA 09 when most of them are going to buy it anyways it pretty stupid. Its like complaining about it not being 100 degrees in the UK year round, its impossible so why complain about it?

Priend · 17-09-2008, 06:13 PM

There is a point of giving constructive criticism as it might make ea develop fifa 2010 for pc fully next-gen. The rants aren't pointless as it shows that all though fifa 09 is a improvement on fifa 08, it is nowhere near the level the game should be at. The PC should outdo the ps3 and 360 'next-gen' versions, not keep with the same gameplay ai of the ps2 and add graphics such as 3d grass which looks awful compared to the graphics engine in the ps3 version, although this is what EA Sports call leading edge graphics for pc. Yes maybe in 2005 but ea have to realise that we are in 2009 now, even pes 2008 has shader 3.0 graphics and pes is by no means known for the best graphics, yet ea say shader 2 is leading edge. Maybe the ~5% who can run the next-gen ai are dated back to pc's back in 2005 which were only slightly less powerful than the console processors of the ps3 and 360. They probably have not realised that pc's have moved on since then with introductions of cheap and fast mainstream dual core and quad core cpus. These are the same people who think shader 2.0 is leading edge so I can't take their word for it that most pcs will struggle to run the next-gen ai which is currently running on cheap consoles with processors developed back in late 2004 and released in 2005. Most, if not all other game developers will agree with me, apart from the EA Sports team who think pcs aren't worth running any next-gen game engines on but consoles rule because they get to charge you more for their games. Piracy is not the issue as if that was the case Xbox 360 and Wii would of had all their ea sports titles removed as there are already mods for them that are permanent solutions in playing copied games forever. Paul tell us what kind of processor we would need to run the next-gen ai and why is the leading edge graphics on the pc so bad compared to the ps3 and 360 version. Surely leading edge graphics means the best out of all the fifa platforms as a whole? When is the Fifa pc team going to make a game that uses more than 10% of current mid range graphics cards on all settings high, yet the consoles get graphics that run their 2004 gpus to the max. If the same graphics engine was used on a high end pc, like one with a 4870x2 and qx9770 then it won't break a sweat with it running at resolutions above full hd 1080p such as 2560x1200 and at the same time running it smoother than the console versions due to double the frame rates at 60+ fps while the ps3 struggles to run it at 60fps at 1280x720. I have a ps3 myself and want the next-gen version on the pc so I can experience the game at higher resolutions without low frame rates that I experience with the game on the ps3. I have pes 2008 for ps3 and have played it on my pc as well and it runs at 60fps at 1680x1050 with no lag while on the ps3 it struggles to output the same quality of graphics as well at running at around 30fps and the lower resolution of 1280x720. I guess EA will just release current gen gameplay and graphics next year. In the mean time I will have to play fifa on the ps3 and pes on pc. I hope EA can prove me wrong and make Fifa 2010 fully next-gen. I doubt it but it is in their best interests as they will get more sales. People buy games sometimes just to benchmark so if next-gen really requires a lot of power, then pc benchmark sites may buy it and increase sales. It could be a good test for pc's cpu power.

PlayFifajo · 17-09-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Theres nothing kid-like about my post. By the way its "mommy" and "taught" just for pointers.

I don't respect there views because they are pointless rants and it will not change anything for FIFA 09 so therefore it defeats the purpose of them complaining in the first place. I could understand if the game was possibly going to be pulled back and reworked on, but its not so moaning about FIFA 09 when most of them are going to buy it anyways it pretty stupid. Its like complaining about it not being 100 degrees in the UK year round, its impossible so why complain about it?

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Nefertari · 17-09-2008, 06:29 PM

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Theres nothing kid-like about my post. By the way its "mommy" and "taught" just for pointers.

I don't respect there views because they are pointless rants and it will not change anything for FIFA 09 so therefore it defeats the purpose of them complaining in the first place. I could understand if the game was possibly going to be pulled back and reworked on, but its not so moaning about FIFA 09 when most of them are going to buy it anyways it pretty stupid. Its like complaining about it not being 100 degrees in the UK year round, its impossible so why complain about it?

Firstly, if your going to be pedantic about peoples spelling you should realise that "Mummy" is how some people in Europe and other places in the world call their Mothers, second...it's "their" not "there" when using a possessive. We can all be as lame as you're being regarding grammar, punctuation, spelling and colloquialisms...so please don't drag it down to that level.

Secondly, people have a right to complain about a product they enjoy playing with if it's sub-standard to the same product developed for a seperate group of users. Complaining and criticising is how below par products get remade into better ones. If no-one brought these things to the attention of the developers then there would be NO progress at all. The NG debate started as a question, it was ignored, it built up into a criticism, was ignored and then countered with an excuse that the majority of people do not believe for one second and have counter countered with solid technical arguments/questions that have not been answered....Now we are complaining because of the woeful disregard to the progress of a game, both graphically and computationally, that we all love to play.

So don't call people childish for doing this as it's well within their rights, why should we have to settle for a game that is not the same as the PS3/360 version just because EA want to ship extra units and make more money? They are the only company I'm aware of that value more sales over putting out the best game possible.

By your reasoning, and this is an extreme analogy, if you and an older friend walked into McDonalds and bought BigMac meals, you would expect to get the same meal/portions as your friend right? Your friend is older, the management prefer older customers so he gets the full meal and you get half a BigMac in a plastic bag, fries dashed on the ground and told to go drink out the toilet, in place of your beverage, all because you're younger than the managements preferred age range...you would just walk away and accept it? Ridiculous...

We are getting half a meal here and we are rightly complaining about it.

MAVIYILDIZ5 · 17-09-2008, 06:49 PM

from me for all pc users, Queen - We are the champions,i promise i promise i promise,paul hossack you will lose

PlayFifajo · 17-09-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nefertari

Firstly, if your going to be pedantic about peoples spelling you should realise that "Mummy" is how some people in Europe and other places in the world call their Mothers, second...it's "their" not "there" when using a possessive. We can all be as lame as you're being regarding grammar, punctuation, spelling and colloquialisms...so please don't drag it down to that level.

Secondly, people have a right to complain about a product they enjoy playing with if it's sub-standard to the same product developed for a seperate group of users. Complaining and criticising is how below par products get remade into better ones. If no-one brought these things to the attention of the developers then there would be NO progress at all. The NG debate started as a question, it was ignored, it built up into a criticism, was ignored and then countered with an excuse that the majority of people do not believe for one second and have counter countered with solid technical arguments/questions that have not been answered....Now we are complaining because of the woeful disregard to the progress of a game, both graphically and computationally, that we all love to play.

So don't call people childish for doing this as it's well within their rights, why should we have to settle for a game that is not the same as the PS3/360 version just because EA want to ship extra units and make more money? They are the only company I'm aware of that value more sales over putting out the best game possible.

By your reasoning, and this is an extreme analogy, if you and an older friend walked into McDonalds and bought BigMac meals, you would expect to get the same meal/portions as your friend right? Your friend is older, the management prefer older customers so he gets the full meal and you get half a BigMac in a plastic bag, fries dashed on the ground and told to go drink out the toilet, in place of your beverage, all because you're younger than the managements preferred age range...you would just walk away and accept it? Ridiculous...

We are getting half a meal here and we are rightly complaining about it.

Excelent said!

The Doctor76 · 17-09-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nefertari

Firstly, if your going to be pedantic about peoples spelling you should realise that "Mummy" is how some people in Europe and other places in the world call their Mothers, second...it's "their" not "there" when using a possessive. We can all be as lame as you're being regarding grammar, punctuation, spelling and colloquialisms...so please don't drag it down to that level.

Secondly, people have a right to complain about a product they enjoy playing with if it's sub-standard to the same product developed for a seperate group of users. Complaining and criticising is how below par products get remade into better ones. If no-one brought these things to the attention of the developers then there would be NO progress at all. The NG debate started as a question, it was ignored, it built up into a criticism, was ignored and then countered with an excuse that the majority of people do not believe for one second and have counter countered with solid technical arguments/questions that have not been answered....Now we are complaining because of the woeful disregard to the progress of a game, both graphically and computationally, that we all love to play.

So don't call people childish for doing this as it's well within their rights, why should we have to settle for a game that is not the same as the PS3/360 version just because EA want to ship extra units and make more money? They are the only company I'm aware of that value more sales over putting out the best game possible.

By your reasoning, and this is an extreme analogy, if you and an older friend walked into McDonalds and bought BigMac meals, you would expect to get the same meal/portions as your friend right? Your friend is older, the management prefer older customers so he gets the full meal and you get half a BigMac in a plastic bag, fries dashed on the ground and told to go drink out the toilet, in place of your beverage, all because you're younger than the managements preferred age range...you would just walk away and accept it? Ridiculous...

We are getting half a meal here and we are rightly complaining about it.

Exactly so, but we still have to shell out £30 for it if we buy it in the shops.

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Let's keep it friendly, eh? Those comments are uncalled for.

SoccerPC · 17-09-2008, 07:19 PM

ok guys .. come to the point .. post your comment on ho$$sucks reply .........

jonneymendoza · 17-09-2008, 09:13 PM

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Terrible example mate. RTS AI for CPU characters function much like bots in a MMO. The characters in FIFA may appear to be doing the same thing, but all have independent AI functions unlike an RTS where repeated actions are common across the board. RTS games are hardly demanding on a CPU regardless of the amount of characters on screen.

I understand everyone has a right to express themselves, but its downright pointless and immature to put a wanted sign with his picture on it all because people are not happy with why FIFA is not NG on the PC. You can't help but read the post because the entire topic is *****ing and complaining. If you think what I did is immature that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion so I am not too worried about what you think in that regard.

Do say any mature adult would just ignore because this is a message board and that is the whole point, to post messages and when a new complaining topic appears every 10 seconds for the same matter over and over it becomes redundant and begins to defeat the purpose of the board and ruin the experience of those that are posting for reasons other than complaining. If you are going to complain then complain in the same topic and don't make a million other identical topics as there currently are on the first 10 pages of this forum.

i disagree mate. rts relies heavily on cpu. the animations are not liek robots mate, some are ie a group of npc's animate the same way but thats just on a small part of the battle zones. what about the explosives, tanks, planes and oteh viechales wrecking havoc across the whole battlezone. have u ever played any RTS game besides the first ever red alert/comand and conquer? RTS games have come along way mate. go check out a rts game called supreme commander (a well known game that relies heavily on cpu) and another one called world in conflict.

here are some proof about supreme commander Supreme Commander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Supreme Commander is heavily reliant on raw processing power from the CPU and is less dependent on rendering power from the graphics card. When using a high-end graphics card the CPU is likely to become the main bottleneck.[28][29]

seriously man if you want to be treated as a serious poster, please dont post comments saying people are childish and please learn how to respect people's opinion weather its lalalalalalaed or not.

O and try and backup your views with some facts. cheers

The Doctor76 · 17-09-2008, 10:36 PM

If we're going to talk RTS games, then we need to talk Total War. They've got far more happening on screen at any one time and with more detailed animations than in many other RTS games. You don't see them being released on the consoles, do you? Even though there are mouse controllers around now for them.

EA are trying to make out that Fifa 09 NG is some kind of uber-game! If every other game out there is exactly the same (if not better) on PC than on NG consoles, then what exactly is so special about Fifa 09? It's a football game, for God's sake. Games like Medieval 2 Total War need a lot more CPU power, not just because of the actual battles, but all the other stuff that happens on the map!

EA, do what Konami did and abandon this policy of coding for lower end machines! Dual core is the norm these days, you should be coding for that at the absolute minimum!

Daedalus · 17-09-2008, 10:38 PM

I for one am very happy with the new PC graphics - the players appear almost lifelike! At least in video cut scenes, and with the broadcast camera on max zoom, it's not far from the appearance in real life there either. It's a big improvement. Not sure if I want any more detail on the players.
I just hope that in the finished game, the clone factor has been significantly reduced. The more players have unique faces, the more varied, interesting and re-playable the game becomes.

The graphics for the net and the crowd, however, do not meet the same standard as that for the players. The crowd look OK up fairly close, like behind a player about to kick a corner in a video cut scene, but not from a distance. One way to make to crowd look more realistic, I think, is to show the stadium with some empty seats, i.e. with random holes in the distribution of the crowd. More variation in the colours and behaviour of the crowd would also do the trick, as taking account the fading of colours with distance. Actually, in manager mode, I would like to see the crowd reflecting varied attendance to the games due to the changing popularity of the team, weather conditions etc.

I hope the new options for tactics and formations go for the inside of manager mode.

The physics of the game and the gameplay have been notably improved in my book, too. Yes, there are many things that can be polished further, but, compared to FIFA 08, which I regard as having been released in its beta version, the new FIFA looks a fantastic improvement overall.

Congratulations, EA! You have won back at least one customer.

BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing some posts in this thread partially or wholly removed due to flaming or spamming content, i.e. pointless reading. Moderator?

TheKingRH · 18-09-2008, 01:02 AM

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First of all I understand that porting the gameplay on to the pc is going to be difficult due to it being needed to be ported to the x86 architecture so recoding will take time. However it may be a wise idea to start now as the likes of Xbox 720 and PS4 may move on to greater processors than powerpc to x86 and x64 architecture. This is because they may want to give console buyers the satisfaction that it is an all in one gaming device with real pc capabilities. Also all developers know that coding for the x86/ x64 architecture is a lot easier than say coding for the cell processor. It is a proven that developers are wasting time coding for the ps3 compared to the xbox 360 as the ps3 has only one main core and 6 weak spes' . This results in a lot of work to optimize game code to run on such an underpowered platform. The Xbox has 3 cores of all the same power of the ps3s but is a lot easier to code due to there being less cores and the strength of the cores being greater. However these processors have been hyped so much and are equivalent to a processor that is slightly faster than the one in the apple power mac g5. This means the likes of the cell and the xenon triple core in the xbox 360 will struggle to just outrun the fastest p4. Everyone knows p4's are slow and this puts console cpus in perspective in actual developers views. They know that if they coded the Fifa next gen gameplay to the x86 platform then it won't take even 100% cpu utilization of a budget pentium dual core such as an e2140 let alone the fastest dual core and quad cores out. Also coding to maximize the x86 platform is a lot quicker and easier hence why there is less apps for ppc64 platform. To get the full potential out of the ps3 developers would need to spend 2 years extra than the 360 version to get it to run as fast. That is why you see games run a lot smoother on the 360 compared to the ps3 as well as the fact the 360 has a better gpu.

This leads me on to the leading edge graphics the pc supposed to have this year. I understand that you have acknowledged the fact that the pc has superior graphics cards. However the level of graphics detail in Fifa 09 is more suited for what integrated/ discrete graphics cards can support. I can run it fine on my laptop with all the details high on 800x600, with shader level 2, 3d grass and so on at 50fps. This is on a nvs 135m (8400m gs). This is a discrete graphics card in a laptop yet it can run all the 'next gen' graphics easily. When I tryed to run it on my pc, the gpu and cpu were probably trying less than say decoding a blu ray film. I was playing it at 60fps at 1680x1050. If possible I could of run the game 6 times at 60fps without making my cpu usage go over 90% as well as my gpu. My desktop pc is only mid range as well compared to what other people have got, i.e a high end would be a pc with core 2 extreme qx9650/ qx9770 at 4.0ghz+ and two 4870x2 cf .If that is the level of leading edge graphics that fifa has to give out for the pc platform then I wonder why the graphics on my ps3 look substantially better. The 3d grass on fifa 09 looks like the cartoony graphics on fifa 06 on ps2. I think high end UMPC's will probably be able to run fifa 09 on high without a sweat, then the fifa team say it is only accessible to ~5% which is a joke as there is so many people with high end computers online. EA don't seem to realise the so called '~5%' seem to be the majority of people who play games on pc. Most people who can't play any pc game on their pc will not try but with fifa 09 they have hope in running it on a ancient gaming rig even on high that has no chance of running most games on low. The quicker that ea make people upgrade the better as well. The same for phasing out the 'old generation' consoles such as the ps3 and xbox 360 (lol) that are severely limiting the pc gaming platform with these underpowered gpus and hard to develop slow ppc64 cpus. At least the fifa 09 this year is a lot better than the buggy and slow paced fifa 08.

Excellent post Priend

TheKingRH · 18-09-2008, 03:02 AM

Many thanks to Paul Hossacks for the reply.

I think what Paul says about AI and CPU power ONLY makes sense if you talk about being determined to cater for such low PC specs. Whether EA Sports are right or wrong for targeting such a market, the fact is that they have CHOSEN to do this.

I can only speak for myself and the like-minded PC gamers that I know who are being forced away from FIFA by EA Sports. Not because there isn't anything good about the game, it has some positive points. The reason people like me are turning away from it is because we have PES. Fifa on the PC, even after all the cutting edge improvements this year, seriously plays and looks out of date on my PC compared to all my other games (including PES 2008 ). I won't talk about the improvements for PES 2009.

Some of us have also played Fifa on PS3 / XBOX 360. So we can clearly see how far behind the PC version is in terms of quality. Even this years 'cutting edge graphics' or 'next gen player models' don't look convincing. The PC version (still basically the same outdated patched up PS2 port) has the same short robotic-like zombie players, but with just a bit more detail and texture. It's still not anywhere near as human-like and fluid as the Next Gen console version.

I'm not going to get too much into the politics about EA Sports President Peter Moore (console fanboy) and his treatment to PC gamers, but I don't see a future for Fifa on the PC. Even with all the new meaningless gimmicks such as mouse control (it's a football game, so ideally should be played with an analogue gamepad). Fifa will either eventually be scrapped, like Peter Moore scrapped Madden NFL; or the relatively poor quality of Fifa will force sales to dwindle.

Sales of the PC version has been reducing each year (I wonder why? )

. After the sales dwindle, Peter Moore will look and say: "See, that's where PC gaming is going, let's scrap Fifa already, like all the other sports titles". Due to his extreme lack of vision, we now have a dilemma that he has created from his:"shoot yourself in your own foot mentality". Trying to maintain a low minimum spec (in order to stay in the past and maximize sales) will keep quality low and frustrate gamers onto the competition (PES). I believe the ONLY way to guarantee FIFA's future on the PC is to go completely Next Gen. Not only would it be cheaper to port the XBOX engine instead of employing a PC team to do their own separate work (nets, PC specific stunt men collisions, 3D grass, PC animations etc.) even though the Next Gen engine already has animations and 3D grass etc. But the quality of a Next Gen PC game will keep the PC title alive. Just like other multiplatform developments. Not only in long term sales, but the reputation of the game and how it will compete with the competition (Pro Evo). Also, as others have already said, many gamers will upgrade their PCs (or get a console). Just like PS2 gamers upgraded to PS3. PC gamers are considered even more hardcore than console gamers, so quality of games are usually even more important to us. Even without mentioning Crysis, many multiplatform games perform better on the PC than on consoles. However, Fifa is a completely different story, as the game is an outdated PS2 port.

Regardless, I won't be buying Fifa 09. As a matter of fact, I won't buy Fifa on my platform (Plalalalail EA Sports completely abandon the PS2 engine (which some people have been led to believe is now a new PC engine built from the ground up. Yeah right).

As an open minded person, I will check back on this forum in a few years time just to see if the game is Next Gen.

Peace

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17-09-2008, 06:13 PM	#64 (permalink)
Priend Rookie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 252	There is a point of giving constructive criticism as it might make ea develop fifa 2010 for pc fully next-gen. The rants aren't pointless as it shows that all though fifa 09 is a improvement on fifa 08, it is nowhere near the level the game should be at. The PC should outdo the ps3 and 360 'next-gen' versions, not keep with the same gameplay ai of the ps2 and add graphics such as 3d grass which looks awful compared to the graphics engine in the ps3 version, although this is what EA Sports call leading edge graphics for pc. Yes maybe in 2005 but ea have to realise that we are in 2009 now, even pes 2008 has shader 3.0 graphics and pes is by no means known for the best graphics, yet ea say shader 2 is leading edge. Maybe the ~5% who can run the next-gen ai are dated back to pc's back in 2005 which were only slightly less powerful than the console processors of the ps3 and 360. They probably have not realised that pc's have moved on since then with introductions of cheap and fast mainstream dual core and quad core cpus. These are the same people who think shader 2.0 is leading edge so I can't take their word for it that most pcs will struggle to run the next-gen ai which is currently running on cheap consoles with processors developed back in late 2004 and released in 2005. Most, if not all other game developers will agree with me, apart from the EA Sports team who think pcs aren't worth running any next-gen game engines on but consoles rule because they get to charge you more for their games. Piracy is not the issue as if that was the case Xbox 360 and Wii would of had all their ea sports titles removed as there are already mods for them that are permanent solutions in playing copied games forever. Paul tell us what kind of processor we would need to run the next-gen ai and why is the leading edge graphics on the pc so bad compared to the ps3 and 360 version. Surely leading edge graphics means the best out of all the fifa platforms as a whole? When is the Fifa pc team going to make a game that uses more than 10% of current mid range graphics cards on all settings high, yet the consoles get graphics that run their 2004 gpus to the max. If the same graphics engine was used on a high end pc, like one with a 4870x2 and qx9770 then it won't break a sweat with it running at resolutions above full hd 1080p such as 2560x1200 and at the same time running it smoother than the console versions due to double the frame rates at 60+ fps while the ps3 struggles to run it at 60fps at 1280x720. I have a ps3 myself and want the next-gen version on the pc so I can experience the game at higher resolutions without low frame rates that I experience with the game on the ps3. I have pes 2008 for ps3 and have played it on my pc as well and it runs at 60fps at 1680x1050 with no lag while on the ps3 it struggles to output the same quality of graphics as well at running at around 30fps and the lower resolution of 1280x720. I guess EA will just release current gen gameplay and graphics next year. In the mean time I will have to play fifa on the ps3 and pes on pc. I hope EA can prove me wrong and make Fifa 2010 fully next-gen. I doubt it but it is in their best interests as they will get more sales. People buy games sometimes just to benchmark so if next-gen really requires a lot of power, then pc benchmark sites may buy it and increase sales. It could be a good test for pc's cpu power. __________________ CPU: Core 2 Quad Q9300 @ 3.0ghz, Mobo: P35C-DS3R, Ram: 4gb OCZ DDR3, 1333mhz, Hard Drives: 2x400gb Sata , Graphics: HD 4870, PSU: CM 850w, Sound: Creative X-FI XtremeMusic Last edited by Priend; 17-09-2008 at 06:37 PM..

17-09-2008, 10:36 PM	#72 (permalink)
The Doctor76 Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Gender: Male Posts: 7,114	If we're going to talk RTS games, then we need to talk Total War. They've got far more happening on screen at any one time and with more detailed animations than in many other RTS games. You don't see them being released on the consoles, do you? Even though there are mouse controllers around now for them. EA are trying to make out that Fifa 09 NG is some kind of uber-game! If every other game out there is exactly the same (if not better) on PC than on NG consoles, then what exactly is so special about Fifa 09? It's a football game, for God's sake. Games like Medieval 2 Total War need a lot more CPU power, not just because of the actual battles, but all the other stuff that happens on the map! EA, do what Konami did and abandon this policy of coding for lower end machines! Dual core is the norm these days, you should be coding for that at the absolute minimum! __________________ My Specs: CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 2Ghz GPU: ATI EAH4850 512mb DDR3 RAM: 3gb Want stadium server as well as kitserver (for PC version PES 10)? Vote here!

17-09-2008, 10:38 PM	#73 (permalink)
Daedalus Rookie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 87	I for one am very happy with the new PC graphics - the players appear almost lifelike! At least in video cut scenes, and with the broadcast camera on max zoom, it's not far from the appearance in real life there either. It's a big improvement. Not sure if I want any more detail on the players. I just hope that in the finished game, the clone factor has been significantly reduced. The more players have unique faces, the more varied, interesting and re-playable the game becomes. The graphics for the net and the crowd, however, do not meet the same standard as that for the players. The crowd look OK up fairly close, like behind a player about to kick a corner in a video cut scene, but not from a distance. One way to make to crowd look more realistic, I think, is to show the stadium with some empty seats, i.e. with random holes in the distribution of the crowd. More variation in the colours and behaviour of the crowd would also do the trick, as taking account the fading of colours with distance. Actually, in manager mode, I would like to see the crowd reflecting varied attendance to the games due to the changing popularity of the team, weather conditions etc. I hope the new options for tactics and formations go for the inside of manager mode. The physics of the game and the gameplay have been notably improved in my book, too. Yes, there are many things that can be polished further, but, compared to FIFA 08, which I regard as having been released in its beta version, the new FIFA looks a fantastic improvement overall. Congratulations, EA! You have won back at least one customer. BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing some posts in this thread partially or wholly removed due to flaming or spamming content, i.e. pointless reading. Moderator? Last edited by Daedalus; 17-09-2008 at 11:21 PM..

17-09-2008, 10:59 AM	#54 (permalink)
jacklasbof Forum Guru Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,702	HOSSACK STRATEGY: ...fifa 2010 upgrade stadiums,from current to next gen ...fifa 2011 3d crowds ...fifa 2012 next gen gameplay

17-09-2008, 03:10 PM	#58 (permalink)
jonneymendoza Forum Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,233	imo his making excuses after excuses. check out a game called world in confilct. its a Massive RTS game that relies heavily on AI and physics yet that game runs well on medium settings on my 4 year old pc. it is more demanding the a soccer game that on deals with players movement and animations. this RTS game deals with actual geographic animations and collisions. things blow up and explode etc. i can honesly say that this person is taking u all for a ride if you really support his reasons as to why there is no NG fifa09 for the pc. all there reasons doesnt explain why there is no 10v10 online bap or no custom formations. i guess 3 cores are needed for a bunch of sliders and 10v10 multiplayer online eh when a console cant even deal with 30v30 online on cod4 or in there battlefield series games. btw gta4 is coming out on the pc and that has more physics and AI then fifa09

17-09-2008, 04:40 PM	#59 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	Many of you need to get a life and stop complaining. You would think that most of you are 10 years old with how immature you are acting. So what the game is using the same animation engine as the 360, the game looks amazing in its current version and leaps and bounds better than PES (yes I have played both and can't stand the visual presentation of PES). Everyone keeps lalalalaing about this game not looking like Crysis or Call of Duty, etc or the 360 version, NEWS ALERTS lalalalalalas, this is not a FPS and doesn't function the same. He stated the same reason for not making it NG as I stated in one of the other hundred "crybaby its not NG" threads. If you don't like the fact that FIFA is not NG on the PC buy it on the 360 or shut up, its thats simple.

17-09-2008, 04:54 PM	#62 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	Terrible example mate. RTS AI for CPU characters function much like bots in a MMO. The characters in FIFA may appear to be doing the same thing, but all have independent AI functions unlike an RTS where repeated actions are common across the board. RTS games are hardly demanding on a CPU regardless of the amount of characters on screen. I understand everyone has a right to express themself, but its downright pointless and immature to put a wanted sign with his picture on it all because people are not happy with why FIFA is not NG on the PC. You can't help but read the post because the entire topic is *****ing and complaining. If you think what I did is immature that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion so I am not too worried about what you think in that regard. Do say any mature adult would just ignore because this is a message board and that is the whole point, to post messages and when a new complaining topic appears every 10 seconds for the same matter over and over it becomes redundant and begins to defeat the purpose of the board and ruin the experience of those that are posting for reasons other than complaining. If you are going to complain then complain in the same topic and don't make a million other identical topics as there currently are on the first 10 pages of this forum.

17-09-2008, 06:49 PM	#67 (permalink)
MAVIYILDIZ5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MY GREAT COUNTRY TURKIYE Posts: 357	from me for all pc users, Queen - We are the champions,i promise i promise i promise,paul hossack you will lose

17-09-2008, 07:19 PM	#70 (permalink)
SoccerPC Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F10 key in 3ds Max 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 1,673	ok guys .. come to the point .. post your comment on ho$$sucks reply .........

18-09-2008, 03:02 AM	#75 (permalink)
TheKingRH Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 465	Many thanks to Paul Hossacks for the reply. I think what Paul says about AI and CPU power ONLY makes sense if you talk about being determined to cater for such low PC specs. Whether EA Sports are right or wrong for targeting such a market, the fact is that they have CHOSEN to do this. I can only speak for myself and the like-minded PC gamers that I know who are being forced away from FIFA by EA Sports. Not because there isn't anything good about the game, it has some positive points. The reason people like me are turning away from it is because we have PES. Fifa on the PC, even after all the cutting edge improvements this year, seriously plays and looks out of date on my PC compared to all my other games (including PES 2008 ). I won't talk about the improvements for PES 2009. Some of us have also played Fifa on PS3 / XBOX 360. So we can clearly see how far behind the PC version is in terms of quality. Even this years 'cutting edge graphics' or 'next gen player models' don't look convincing. The PC version (still basically the same outdated patched up PS2 port) has the same short robotic-like zombie players, but with just a bit more detail and texture. It's still not anywhere near as human-like and fluid as the Next Gen console version. I'm not going to get too much into the politics about EA Sports President Peter Moore (console fanboy) and his treatment to PC gamers, but I don't see a future for Fifa on the PC. Even with all the new meaningless gimmicks such as mouse control (it's a football game, so ideally should be played with an analogue gamepad). Fifa will either eventually be scrapped, like Peter Moore scrapped Madden NFL; or the relatively poor quality of Fifa will force sales to dwindle. Sales of the PC version has been reducing each year (I wonder why? ) . After the sales dwindle, Peter Moore will look and say: "See, that's where PC gaming is going, let's scrap Fifa already, like all the other sports titles". Due to his extreme lack of vision, we now have a dilemma that he has created from his:"shoot yourself in your own foot mentality". Trying to maintain a low minimum spec (in order to stay in the past and maximize sales) will keep quality low and frustrate gamers onto the competition (PES). I believe the ONLY way to guarantee FIFA's future on the PC is to go completely Next Gen. Not only would it be cheaper to port the XBOX engine instead of employing a PC team to do their own separate work (nets, PC specific stunt men collisions, 3D grass, PC animations etc.) even though the Next Gen engine already has animations and 3D grass etc. But the quality of a Next Gen PC game will keep the PC title alive. Just like other multiplatform developments. Not only in long term sales, but the reputation of the game and how it will compete with the competition (Pro Evo). Also, as others have already said, many gamers will upgrade their PCs (or get a console). Just like PS2 gamers upgraded to PS3. PC gamers are considered even more hardcore than console gamers, so quality of games are usually even more important to us. Even without mentioning Crysis, many multiplatform games perform better on the PC than on consoles. However, Fifa is a completely different story, as the game is an outdated PS2 port. Regardless, I won't be buying Fifa 09. As a matter of fact, I won't buy Fifa on my platform (Plalalalail EA Sports completely abandon the PS2 engine (which some people have been led to believe is now a new PC engine built from the ground up. Yeah right). As an open minded person, I will check back on this forum in a few years time just to see if the game is Next Gen. Peace