Why is the gameplay not next-gen?

[st4rdog]

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

FIFA09 on PC has leading-edge graphics.

Not true.

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

[1] I am aware that some PC systems are as capable as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (and that some are even more capable than them), but the majority of PC systems aren't (see [4]).

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

[4] "If the architecture was identical to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions, FIFA09 on PC would only be accessible to 1-3% of the PC systems on the market." That is a fact.

1-3% including office PC's with no graphics card, maybe, but for people who play games on their PC (the market the game is aimed at), more than 1-3% will have capable PC's. Going by your judgement, CoD4 etc wouldn't have been best-sellers on PC because only 1-3% of could play it...

I built a Core 2 Duo, DX10 capable computer, including graphics card, motherboard and CPU for £222 a while ago. It'd probably cost £150 or less now.

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

[2] The fact that a PC system can run Gears of War, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, etc. is irrelevant: the gameplay architecture of FIFA09 can not be compared to games of a different genre, and it is a fact that the majority of PC systems do not have enough CPU processing power for FIFA09 on PC to be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions.

Like I say... if you include PC's bought by parents/companies for offices etc, then of course not, but if you're talking about "PC gamers", then you're talking nonsense. Far more than 1-3% of people who play PC games often will be able to handle FIFA 09.

The fact that those games are a different genre makes no difference whatsoever, and I think you invented a phrase when you said "gameplay architecture" - two reasons that it seems like you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I find this whole situation frustrating. I'm also embarrassed for EA, their representatives, and their backwards views on the subject.

If EA come out with another bit of PR about their sports games not selling well on PC, then they know why - because they won't give us the 360/PS3 version.

If EA provided direct ports of the 360 versions of NHL 09, NBA Live 09 and FIFA 09, they would sell a huge amount of PC games. If they continue to provide PS2 ports and "in-betweens" that don't look as good and don't play as good as their 360/PS3 counterparts, then they'll continue not selling many copies. Simple.

[Inzaghi]

Hey Alaa

if you don't want it, don't buy it.

[AlaaEG88]

Originally Posted by Inzaghi

Hey Alaa

if you don't want it, don't buy it.

When did I say that I don't want it?

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by rbmaster

What?

Did you notice that gta IV will have better graphics and gameplay on pc??
And GTA IV have an architecture much "harder" to run on a pc...

I have a old computer and i wish to play fifa next gen, i will have to buy a new computer... Such as if i have a ps2 and i wish to play fifa next gen, i would have to buy a ps3... And, if i have a old pc and i wish to play fifa not next gen, i buy fifa 08...
But please!... Don't try to fool us!

I call what you are doing with fifa 09 pc, bad programming...
Sorry to be so honest...


(I'm waiting for a reply)

Well said. GTA IV represents a whole, huge living city, full of people up to no good/going about their own business/stopping the people who are up to no good, or just running away! A whole city! I'd bet that's got a bit more going on under the hood than a football game has.

Originally Posted by manutdfan145

Can you give us an example of a PC that you think would be able to run the next gen version of the game? I mean unless you're talking quad core processors/4 GB RAM/very high-end graphics cards, theres no way that only 1-3% of PC gamers would have the required system to play a next gen game. I'd say at least 15% if not more.

Good post. So come on, EA, tell us what specs this super-uber duper computer that could run NG Fifa 09 would have?

[Stevel024]

Here's a simple solution:

Release a next gen and current gen version

[Bogdancg88]

Originally Posted by Stevel024

Here's a simple solution:

Release a next gen and current gen version

NOt a good idea! Because nobody will buy current gen version!

[jacklasbof]

EA STRATEGY...
...fifa 2010 upgrade stadiums,from current to next gen
...fifa 2011 3d crowds
...fifa 2012 next gen gameplay

[K4l4shn1k0vv]

Stupid Ea the piracy will only grow more cause of this bull**** lies taht their talking about ... i don't get it why do they even make fifa for pc then ? Are there people who buy it on pc ? Well i don't get any bad problems with that.. its just ****ing lalalalalalaed that ea likes to dissapoint people

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by TavanoPly

the gameplay is fantastic...

The game is very good. Some people are never happy, seriously! If you're finding it too easy, then go professional/professional. This is a big step for Fifa and should lead to next year's game being fantastic, if they can build on this year's.

[alisarialtun86]

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

[Please read my break-down of this post (click here) - Phenom]

The PC version of FIFA 09 is different to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions because of the CPU processing power required for the architecture of the game.

The majority of gamer's PC's do not have enough CPU processing power for this architecture, so FIFA09 on PC has been built to have the best possible graphics and gameplay engine while still being accessible to as many fans of the game as possible. If the architecture was identical to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions, FIFA09 on PC would only be accessible to 1-3% of the PC systems on the market.

Having said that, FIFA09 on PC delivers a very deep gameplay engine, along with leading-edge visuals.

Phenom

So, one single question:
Why does PES 2009 have next gen gameplay but require LESS specs in hardware stuff? Why? Please answer only that one, please...

I have been a fan of Fifa for years, and now all I have is a big fat disappointment!

[redevilO7]

Originally Posted by Bogdancg88

NOt a good idea! Because nobody will buy current gen version!

yes some of them will, those who are running on lower end pc will, better for ea sports, maybe their sales will rise by taking this step. fifa 09 is nice but if fifa 2010 has not improved im not buying it, moving to pes ... technology is getting better but ea spors is still not taking action, PLEASE GROW UP !

[istanboY]

everytime 15 or 16 years old kids say ''if they don't improve the game next year we won't buy it''. imo this is the reason for these servants of money to don't make a good FIFA game so far. And every new year these kids join the forums.

[wayne70]

Originally Posted by The Doctor76

The game is very good. Some people are never happy, seriously! If you're finding it too easy, then go professional/professional. This is a big step for Fifa and should lead to next year's game being fantastic, if they can build on this year's.

I agree, FIFA 09 looks and plays very nice, finally EA have made an effort on PC version. Sure, their are still some annoying faults,but all in all i`m quite happy i bought this game. BTW! cranking the difficulty upto "Legendary" certainly improves AI gameplay.

[therealwakkauk]

Valve - Survey Summary Data

Good survey thats done every month. A good % of people have decent rigs that would not struggle with so called ng coded fifa for pc if they had bothered to make it so.

[406NotAcceptable]

Ahh this rubbish again.

Fun examples, from the past:

Oblivion (2007):

CPU: AI system dealing with 1500+ NPCs.
GPU: Many aspects of the game ended up being scaled down for the XBox 360 release.

Football Manager 2008 (2007)

CPU: XBox version limited to 10 leagues and 3 countries. PC unlimited.

General Benchmarks (2006)

PS3 processor runs slower than an early Apple Mac G5 from 2003!

hxxp://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006/11/playstation-3-performance/


Other stuff:

Mass Effect, better on the PC.
Gears of War, better on the PC.
Doom 3, better on the PC.
Bioshock, better on the PC.
The Orange Box, better on the PC.
Call of Juarez, better on PC.

Beware only 1-3% of current PCs have the CPU power required to read this post.

[mrbeetle]

I couldn't care less if the Xbox/PS3 versions are different, I'm enjoying the PC version and I want to show (with my wallet) to EA that the PC market is strong. Fifa09 this year is awesome on the PC, and I'm happily buying it this week.

EA Sports seem too conservative.. like someone said earlier, the average joe with his 1999 PC would rather download a copy on internet instead of buy the game. EA should think about the potential new costumers they can have by taking some risks (for example: me, yo!)

The NG/console versions show us what EA is capable of, and that's what we (pc gamers) are asking them: To push HARDER the pc version for the next years to come.

My 2c.

[406NotAcceptable]

Originally Posted by mrbeetle

I couldn't care less if the Xbox/360 versions are different, I'm enjoying the PC version and I want to show (with my wallet) to EA that the PC market is strong. Fifa09 this year is awesome on the PC, and I'm happily buying it this week.

I get your point, but you are also rewarding poor workmanship.

[jonneymendoza]

just to add more salt to the wounds, 2K sports are porting there NBA game on the pc, NEXT GEN that is, a direct port of the 360 version!!!!!!!!!

they have apparently stripped/couldn't add online play for it but still a next gen basketball game for the pc Exclusive News - 2K Sports Forums

EA lose again

[mrbeetle]

Originally Posted by 406NotAcceptable

I get your point, but you are also rewarding poor workmanship.

I do agree that it could be better, but I like to think simple: Is it fun? Is it worth buying?

If EA take some risk next year, and manage to make a version much closer/equal to NG I'm pretty sure they would be surprised. In my country for example we had a legion of PES/WE fans for years, now people are starting to comment: "Did you see Fifa this year? Wow!".

Older Fifa fans have all reasons to be ****ed off by this slow development by EA, but boycotting the game is the worst thing the community can do about it, imo. I'm keeping an eye on Fifa since '07, and this year after playing the demo I thought: "Hey, there's something here, this is fun!".

Let's play the game and keep making noise, they shall hear us.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by mrbeetle

I couldn't care less if the Xbox/PS3 versions are different, I'm enjoying the PC version and I want to show (with my wallet) to EA that the PC market is strong. Fifa09 this year is awesome on the PC, and I'm happily buying it this week.

EA Sports seem too conservative.. like someone said earlier, the average joe with his 1999 PC would rather download a copy on internet instead of buy the game. EA should think about the potential new costumers they can have by taking some risks (for example: me, yo!)

The NG/console versions show us what EA is capable of, and that's what we (pc gamers) are asking them: To push HARDER the pc version for the next years to come.

My 2c.

That's all we can ask for. To push the PC version as far as it can go, which this year's version doesn't do.

As you said, boycotting would be a bad idea, it would lead to the end of the PC version full stop!

[10DiegoIvan17]

When i first played the demo of Fifa 09, i thought: "nice, way better than 08 version, i'll gonna buy it for sure", but then i played ps3 version and ... ***??? its a completely different game, its better by faaaaaaaar, its Fifa 2012... why cant u bring that to pc? 4% of PCs are good enough? 4% of the PCs are used for gaming!!!
that makes me f***ing angry -.-
however, gonna buy PC-version, hoping for next year...
(adidas live season is an awsome feature)

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by 10DiegoIvan17

When i first played the demo of Fifa 09, i thought: "nice, way better than 08 version, i'll gonna buy it for sure", but then i played ps3 version and ... ***??? its a completely different game, its better by faaaaaaaar, its Fifa 2012... why cant u bring that to pc? 4% of PCs are good enough? 4% of the PCs are used for gaming!!!
that makes me f***ing angry -.-
however, gonna buy PC-version, hoping for next year...
(adidas live season is an awsome feature)

Welcome to EA's world of PC. In EA's world of PC, the PC can't do anything, let alone manage an unbelievably complex and powerful game like NG Fifa 09. All the PC can manage is things like:

The Total War series
Massively complex Flight sims
Bioshock
Oblivion
CoD
Armed Assault ARMA

and many, many more. None of them are as complex as a football game, are they (?) PES seems to manage it on PC, so stop feeding us this rubbish, EA.

The PC version is good, but it doesn't push the PC. At all. It stays firmly inside the same comfort zone its been in for years now, ever since Fifa 2003, the last really good Fifa.

[406NotAcceptable]

Originally Posted by The Doctor76

Welcome to EA's world of PC. In EA's world of PC, the PC can't do anything, let alone manage an unbelievably complex and powerful game like NG Fifa 09.

Did you know your PC is not has fast as a PS3, which isn't as fast as an early Apple Mac G5 from 2003?

hxxp://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006/11/playstation-3-performance/

[GiggsUn1ted]

to stop all you whining EA should just release fifa 2010 exactly the same as 360 and PS3 for PC just to shut you all up and give you all who whine about not being able to play it a big I told you so.

[406NotAcceptable]

Originally Posted by GiggsUn1ted

to stop all you whining EA should just release fifa 2010 exactly the same as 360 and PS3 for PC just to shut you all up and give you all who whine about not being able to play it a big I told you so.

Well I am sure everyone here would be pleased if EA would promise a 360 port. Somehow I feel the 'I told you so' will be on the other foot...