Why is the gameplay not next-gen?

[Strngboy]

As to quote Havokguy on another forum:

Oooo man what lala, Gears of war , Bioshock , COD4 , Mass effect , NFS, Grid and so many more run 10 times better on the PC who is this sob truyin to fool

I have to agree. These games were much more refined and capable of much better graphics than their console cousins. Plus all games are FIRST created on PCs rather than on the consoles themselves.

So sir, you argument is not factual based, but based on lazy and cheap programming. Just admit that EA does not want to spend a 360/PS3 budget to create a next-gen game for the PC. Just admit that the PC version just doesn't make enough money to warrant such a task. Be honest rather than giving us some public relations, snake lalalala rhetoric. We know that it is an economic decision. Thus, stop feeding us lala!!!

With that, it is nice that the PC version has been upgraded somewhat. Just don't tell us that a PS3/360 version is only for 1-3%. Now you blowing smoke up our rears.

Good day sir...I SAID GOOD DAY!

[The Doctor76]

Exactly. As you said, all games are created first on PC!!!! So how can they feed us this lalalala that it can't cope with full NG?

I thought that's why they made video options available, to make a game compatible with a wide range of computers! Take FEAR as an example, it had options to set CPU processing to low.

There you go, EA! Now what's your excuse for not enabling people with higher end PCs to have full NG gameplay. As the quote says, FEAR had an option to turn CPU processing high or low. I'd be very interested in what they say to wriggle out of that one.

[st4rdog]

Originally Posted by manutdfan145

I've been reading a few reviews from people who've played the demo on Xbox 360 and it looks like they're describing a completely different game to the PC version.

It's because the PC versions are inferior to the console versions.

It's not just the graphics (which suck on PC), it's also the gameplay elements and user interface of the entire game which is different.

The PC version must be a PS2 port or something. Horrible game.

That goes for all the other EA Sports PC games too - Madden 08 and NBA Live 08 are also horrible games.

[TheKingRH]

Originally Posted by Strngboy

Just admit that EA does not want to spend a 360/PS3 budget to create a next-gen game for the PC. Just admit that the PC version just doesn't make enough money to warrant such a task. Be honest rather than giving us some public relations, snake lalalala rhetoric. We know that it is an economic decision. Thus, stop feeding us lala!!!

With that, it is nice that the PC version has been upgraded somewhat. Just don't tell us that a PS3/360 version is only for 1-3%. Now you blowing smoke up our rears.

Good day sir...I SAID GOOD DAY!

Good post.

But regarding the point: "EA does not want to spend a 360/PS3 budget to create a next-gen game for the PC"

That is what multiplatform development is for. It's cheaper in the long run to develop for multiple platforms simultaneously (360, PS3 and PC)

They don't need to spend anywhere near as much as the original XBOX 360 Fifa budget to port the 360 version to PC.

In fact, it would be cheaper to port it to PC than to employ a separate PC team to find their own stunt men, for example, to work on collisions; then designing from scratch new animations, menus and PC specific 3D grass etc.

[miharuhk]

The Xbox 360 and the PS3: late bloomers or complete failures?

[redevilO7]

ok so i wont compare to other genres, but just take a look at pes ... its next gen and it beats fifa !!! the gameplay is much better, so is the graphics and it works on most pc's

[Stoyanis]

Originally Posted by The Doctor76

Exactly. As you said, all games are created first on PC!!!! So how can they feed us this lalalala that it can't cope with full NG?



There you go, EA! Now what's your excuse for not enabling people with higher end PCs to have full NG gameplay. As the quote says, FEAR had an option to turn CPU processing high or low. I'd be very interested in what they say to wriggle out of that one.

Good one. Want an answer too.

[miharuhk]

Originally Posted by The Doctor76

Exactly. As you said, all games are created first on PC!!!! So how can they feed us this lalalala that it can't cope with full NG?



There you go, EA! Now what's your excuse for not enabling people with higher end PCs to have full NG gameplay. As the quote says, FEAR had an option to turn CPU processing high or low. I'd be very interested in what they say to wriggle out of that one.

Good post. EA pls answer this question!

[DjokoPeridlaka]

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

However, because the PC continues to benefit from constant graphics and performance increases (and always will), the FIFA series on the PC will continue to improve each year, and it's architecture will, in time, 'surpass/exceed' the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 versions.

Phenom

Somehow I deeply doubt this one, considering EA Sports' tradition of developing PC sports titles.

The scenario will probably be like this:

Now they have improved graphics engine, they'll milk it for the next 8 years, 'till the next-generation of consoles arrive. Gameplay engine will also most probably be completely untouched.

I mean, EA Sports did exactly that with the "past-gen" FIFA engine.

Get used to it.

[Bogdancg88]

Phenom,
Those answers doesn't convince us. You have to prove it! I think that this is the 5th time when i tell you this! PROVE IT !!!!!!!!! I don't even care that just 3% has good computers! You are thinking just about money, stupid money! You are not thinking about pc gamers!
SHAME ON YOU EA SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PlayFifajo]

Originally Posted by DjokoPeridlaka

Somehow I deeply doubt this one, considering EA Sports' tradition of developing PC sports titles.

The scenario will probably be like this:

Now they have improved graphics engine, they'll milk it for the next 8 years, 'till the next-generation of consoles arrive. Gameplay engine will also most probably be completely untouched.

I mean, EA Sports did exactly that with the "past-gen" FIFA engine.

Get used to it.

Get used to it? The scientists make experiments like LHC and the producers of Electronic Arts bother us with their childish reasons that they can't make a next gen game on PC...HAHA.ALL games are NEXT GEN and the lalalalalala producers of EA make a game using Current Gen engine like all years.This is the century of computers!

[Bogdancg88]

Originally Posted by PlayFifajo

Get used to it? The scientists make experiments like LHC and the producers of Electronic Arts bother us with their childish reasons that they can't make a next gen game on PC...HAHA.ALL games are NEXT GEN and the lalalalalala producers of EA make a game using Current Gen engine like all years.This is the century of computers!

well said! mate!

[PlayFifajo]

Originally Posted by Bogdancg88

well said! mate!

Tnx

[Bogdancg88]

I know that this is about madden but here is another guy who hates ea sports!
SO:
Pizzed Off said:
September 12, 2008 3:02 PM


Where the hell is MADDEN NFL 2009 for the PC???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???

Totally unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you NOT make the game for the PC? Don't you use PCs and/or MACs to write these programs?
So EA want's to make pc gamers dissapear! NO CHANCE! EA SPORTS i mean! Not EA!!

Sheesh. EA, I have bought my last game from your sorry-lalalalala company. How long has the Wii been out and how long has the PC been out? PCs are not going anywhere and are not a pasttime.

You all screwed up ROYALLY this time.

And Peter, kiss my lalalalala!


It's from Peter Moore's blog!

[rbmaster]

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

Before I go on, I'd like to point out that Graphics power and CPU power are two very different technical parameters, and it's because of the CPU power that FIFA09 on PC can not (and does not) have the same architecture as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions. The Graphics are a separate matter, and FIFA09 on PC has leading-edge graphics.

With that said, please allow me to further explain what I said earlier in this thread, as I believe that some of you may have misunderstood;



[1] I am aware that some PC systems are as capable as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (and that some are even more capable than them), but the majority of PC systems aren't (see [4]).

[2] The fact that a PC system can run Gears of War, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, etc. is irrelevant: the gameplay architecture of FIFA09 can not be compared to games of a different genre, and it is a fact that the majority of PC systems do not have enough CPU processing power for FIFA09 on PC to be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions.

[3] This means that, although some of your PC's may be able to 'handle' a better gameplay architecture, only 1-3% of PC systems on the market could 'handle' the same gameplay architecture that FIFA09 on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 have (see [4]).

[4] "If the architecture was identical to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions, FIFA09 on PC would only be accessible to 1-3% of the PC systems on the market." That is a fact.

However, because the PC continues to benefit from constant graphics and performance increases (and always will), the FIFA series on the PC will continue to improve each year, and it's architecture will, in time, 'surpass/exceed' the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 versions.
I didn't say that FIFA 2010 on PC will (or won't) be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the game (because I do not know whether it will (or won't) be, at this moment in time).


Thank you for the constructive feedback that most of you have provided on this subject, so far.

Phenom

What?

Did you notice that gta IV will have better graphics and gameplay on pc??
And GTA IV have an architecture much "harder" to run on a pc...

I have a old computer and i wish to play fifa next gen, i will have to buy a new computer... Such as if i have a ps2 and i wish to play fifa next gen, i would have to buy a ps3... And, if i have a old pc and i wish to play fifa not next gen, i buy fifa 08...
But please!... Don't try to fool us!

I call what you are doing with fifa 09 pc, bad programming...
Sorry to be so honest...


(I'm waiting for a reply)

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

I think its thanks to Peter Moore the new EA SPORTS president. He is the root of all evil!!!
Infact Paul Hossacks would've made a NG game but Peter Moore discouraged him from making a next generation FIFA game on the PC!

[Bogdancg88]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

I think its thanks to Peter Moore the new EA SPORTS president. He is the root of all evil!!!
Infact Paul Hossacks would've made a NG game but Peter Moore discouraged him from making a next generation FIFA game on the PC!

That's wright! Peter Moore must be out! He totaly ignores pc gaming!

[ghaxaq]

Out Out Out!!

[OVRLOAD]

Originally Posted by redevilO7

ok so i wont compare to other genres, but just take a look at pes ... its next gen and it beats fifa !!! the gameplay is much better, so is the graphics and it works on most pc's

PES 2008 ISNT NEXT GEN AT ALL ON PC HAS KIND OF SAME SPECS AS FIFA 08 ON PC BUT 1.4GHZ PROCESSOR AND 512MB RAM AND USERS SAME GRAPHICS CARD AS FIFA 08

[OVRLOAD]

ITS NOT EA ITS EA SPORTS THATS DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE NEXT-GEN THERE GOT NUFFIN TO DO WITH IT EA MAKE NEXT GEN GAMES ON PC LIKE CRYSIS NFS PRoSTREET BUT EA SPORTS ALWAYS TREAT PC GAMERS AS LITTLE lalalalalaS

[Anubis2612]

Originally Posted by OVRLOAD

ITS NOT EA ITS EA SPORTS THATS DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE NEXT-GEN THERE GOT NUFFIN TO DO WITH IT EA MAKE NEXT GEN GAMES ON PC LIKE CRYSIS NFS PRoSTREET BUT EA SPORTS ALWAYS TREAT PC GAMERS AS LITTLE lalalalalaS

CRYSIS wasn't made by EA!! it was developed by Crytek

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by ghaxaq

Out Out Out!!

The people running Microsoft don't help, either. If they were pushing the PC as much as the Xbox 360, you can bet we'd have an Xbox 360 port of Fifa 09 this year.

Microsoft, if you're going to abandon PC gaming in favour of the Xbox 360, then sod off. Same goes for Mr Moore.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by PlayFifajo

Get used to it? The scientists make experiments like LHC and the producers of Electronic Arts bother us with their childish reasons that they can't make a next gen game on PC...HAHA.ALL games are NEXT GEN and the lalalalalala producers of EA make a game using Current Gen engine like all years.This is the century of computers!

I'll get used to it if they release each Fifa PC game at £10.

[demishade]

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

Before I go on, I'd like to point out that Graphics power and CPU power are two very different technical parameters, and it's because of the CPU power that FIFA09 on PC can not (and does not) have the same architecture as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions. The Graphics are a separate matter, and FIFA09 on PC has leading-edge graphics.

With that said, please allow me to further explain what I said earlier in this thread, as I believe that some of you may have misunderstood;



[1] I am aware that some PC systems are as capable as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (and that some are even more capable than them), but the majority of PC systems aren't (see [4]).

[2] The fact that a PC system can run Gears of War, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, etc. is irrelevant: the gameplay architecture of FIFA09 can not be compared to games of a different genre, and it is a fact that the majority of PC systems do not have enough CPU processing power for FIFA09 on PC to be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions.

[3] This means that, although some of your PC's may be able to 'handle' a better gameplay architecture, only 1-3% of PC systems on the market could 'handle' the same gameplay architecture as FIFA09 on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (see [4]).

[4] "If the architecture was identical to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions, FIFA09 on PC would only be accessible to 1-3% of the PC systems on the market." That is a fact.

However, because the PC continues to benefit from constant graphics and performance increases (and always will), the FIFA series on the PC will continue to improve each year, and it's architecture will, in time, 'surpass/exceed' the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 versions.
I didn't say that FIFA 2010 on PC will (or won't) be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the game (because I do not know whether it will (or won't) be, at this moment in time).


Thank you for the constructive feedback that most of you have provided on this subject, so far.

Phenom

I'm curious as to the percentages presented here. If one looks at the publicly available hardware statistics gathered by Futuremark as per their 3DMark06 benchmark,

YouGamers - Hardware - 3DMark06 User Hardware Statistics - Last 12 months

a casual view shows that something like 30% of the users have an nvidia 8800 or better (which is equal to or better than x360 gfx hardware), and up towards to 19% of users have a quad core CPU, which in turn is more powerful (at least in raw power) than the x360 CPU. If you count in the users who have a modern dual core CPU, this goes even higher.

The data sample here is slightly over 4,000,000 systems and as such is fairly accurate, even if admittedly 3DMark06 is skewed toward the hardcore users. But even given this, 1-3% sounds like a very low estimate.



Caveat: I work for Futuremark, so I may be more biased than most to believe in my own statistics. Thus I make no claims or even opinions on the game in question - I am simply highly curious to all things related to hardware statistics.

[manutdfan145]

Originally Posted by EAUK_Phenom

Before I go on, I'd like to point out that Graphics power and CPU power are two very different technical parameters, and it's because of the CPU power that FIFA09 on PC can not (and does not) have the same architecture as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions. The Graphics are a separate matter, and FIFA09 on PC has leading-edge graphics.

With that said, please allow me to further explain what I said earlier in this thread, as I believe that some of you may have misunderstood;



[1] I am aware that some PC systems are as capable as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (and that some are even more capable than them), but the majority of PC systems aren't (see [4]).

[2] The fact that a PC system can run Gears of War, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, etc. is irrelevant: the gameplay architecture of FIFA09 can not be compared to games of a different genre, and it is a fact that the majority of PC systems do not have enough CPU processing power for FIFA09 on PC to be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions.

[3] This means that, although some of your PC's may be able to 'handle' a better gameplay architecture, only 1-3% of PC systems on the market could 'handle' the same gameplay architecture as FIFA09 on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (see [4]).

[4] "If the architecture was identical to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions, FIFA09 on PC would only be accessible to 1-3% of the PC systems on the market." That is a fact.

However, because the PC continues to benefit from constant graphics and performance increases (and always will), the FIFA series on the PC will continue to improve each year, and it's architecture will, in time, 'surpass/exceed' the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 versions.
I didn't say that FIFA 2010 on PC will (or won't) be the same as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the game (because I do not know whether it will (or won't) be, at this moment in time).


Thank you for the constructive feedback that most of you have provided on this subject, so far.

Phenom

Can you give us an example of a PC that you think would be able to run the next gen version of the game? I mean unless you're talking quad core processors/4 GB RAM/very high-end graphics cards, theres no way that only 1-3% of PC gamers would have the required system to play a next gen game. I'd say at least 15% if not more.