Incorrect stats and attributes - I ask why to EA

id0lise · 05-11-2009, 03:13 PM

I'll start my thread by saying that I love the Fifa franchise but my support and that of many I know is waning. I am an Arsenal fan and my love of Fifa has always been the accuracy of Player Names, Club Names and Player Attributes along with the general gameplay.

However, for the past two versions many things have got me thinking that EA aren't listening to supporters of the game.

Starting with physical statistics, things like height and weight. I feel that if these things are important within the game engine then they ought to be accurately researched. Something akin to Championship Manager.

Things such as -

Gael Clichy - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. When he only comes in at 5'9 1/2"
Robin van Persie - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. When in reality he is 6'2" according to opta stats.
Darren Fletcher - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. Reality: 6'2"

Other things such as -

Thomas Vermaelen - Acc 70 + Sprint 72

Where in interviews on opposing players have revealed he is one of the fastest and most difficult defenders to come up against.

Johann Djourou - Acc 69 + Sprint 76

I defy anyone to correctly argue that when seeing Djourou run that he is below the speed of Robin van Persie, Rio Ferdinand and others.

There is a common consensus that Arsenal lack the necessary Experience and age to win a title, and I am not denying this right now. What I am denying though is that there is one thing all Arsenal players have. That is pace. Lots of it! The number of times I've seen Gael Clichy skin Cristiano Ronaldo for pace. The number of times I've seen Thomas Vermaelen outpace every defence he has played against. All in the flesh, from section 108 at the Emirates stadium.

Surely EA must see the light and correct stupid errors like this? Not just for my club, but surely you lifelong fans of other clubs have seen similar things...

Nikidinho · 05-11-2009, 03:23 PM

agreed to everything.. I hate how the less known players are so underrated! I think EA rate the players according to what the media says about them.

threelionsbecks · 05-11-2009, 04:18 PM

Arsenal are one of the toughest teams to play against on FIFA10...great strikers (especially Van persie) and the team is rock solid on defence.

yet you still complain.....

Jamess_Pine · 05-11-2009, 04:34 PM

Agreed Mendy for Hull. 1 he is not a right back hes right mid. 2. his sprint speed should be about 85 and acceleration around 78. But its not..

OwynJnr · 05-11-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by id0lise

I'll start my thread by saying that I love the Fifa franchise but my support and that of many I know is waning. I am an Arsenal fan and my love of Fifa has always been the accuracy of Player Names, Club Names and Player Attributes along with the general gameplay.

However, for the past two versions many things have got me thinking that EA aren't listening to supporters of the game.

Starting with physical statistics, things like height and weight. I feel that if these things are important within the game engine then they ought to be accurately researched. Something akin to Championship Manager.

Things such as -

Gael Clichy - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. When he only comes in at 5'9 1/2"
Robin van Persie - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. When in reality he is 6'2" according to opta stats.
Darren Fletcher - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. Reality: 6'2"

Other things such as -

Thomas Vermaelen - Acc 70 + Sprint 72

Where in interviews on opposing players have revealed he is one of the fastest and most difficult defenders to come up against.

Johann Djourou - Acc 69 + Sprint 76

I defy anyone to correctly argue that when seeing Djourou run that he is below the speed of Robin van Persie, Rio Ferdinand and others.

There is a common consensus that Arsenal lack the necessary Experience and age to win a title, and I am not denying this right now. What I am denying though is that there is one thing all Arsenal players have. That is pace. Lots of it! The number of times I've seen Gael Clichy skin Cristiano Ronaldo for pace. The number of times I've seen Thomas Vermaelen outpace every defence he has played against. All in the flesh, from section 108 at the Emirates stadium.

Surely EA must see the light and correct stupid errors like this? Not just for my club, but surely you lifelong fans of other clubs have seen similar things...

Nice post.

The majority of the stats and attributes i agree with, but it is things like this that makes me question the process of with EA gather data. Vermaelen's pace for instance, is a criminal mistake. They COULD NOT have seen him play to rate him so low, the same as Djourou.

There are others, i'm not an Arsenal fan, it's just these are perfect examples.

DemonGun · 05-11-2009, 09:35 PM

Maybe EA should explain in their blogs or popcast on how they evaluate the statistics of the players.
I remembered also seeing an online advertisement from EA on hiring individuals for collecting statistics of players, clubs, photos and so on.

tkuall · 05-11-2009, 09:46 PM

more offensive is bendtner strength 78 lalala then people like denilson and diaby both quite slow. And finally vermaelen shooting ability is really low when he has got 100% shot on target ratio

Roonaldos · 05-11-2009, 09:46 PM

clichy is the worng height but the others are right that you mentioned. v. persie might be half an inch less in real life.

Roonaldos · 05-11-2009, 09:48 PM

the ratings are rubbish though obertan is 68 and nani 81 lalala swap the ratings and add 20 to obertans pace and skill and evans is only 76 he was better than ferdinand next season he should be at least 80

tkuall · 05-11-2009, 09:50 PM

rvp is 6ft 2 for definite, Im 6 ft 0 and ive met him an I can saftley say he is taller.

id0lise · 05-11-2009, 10:27 PM

As far as I know, most stats are not researched but based on reputation.

ie. 15 guys sit around a table and decide what certain players pace is.

I take the point that nobody knew how good Vermaelen was before the game was released, but I saw him play numerous times at the Amsterdam Arena and his pace and strength was immense, this is going back two years.

It just takes a simple bit of research, surely?

Similar with the Obertan situation, watching him for Bordeaux the last couple of years he has great technique and pace. But just because he doesn't play each week means he is slow and bad at dribbling...

ps. Robin van Persie is 6'2". Fact. As equal to the poster above, having met the man in person he is at least 2 inches above me and I come in at 6'0".

EAUK_Adroit · 06-11-2009, 11:16 AM

You can discuss ratings and data in Database Discussion, which is where I will move this to. You can also apply to be a data reviewer or editor for the game here.

Garcia5 · 06-11-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threelionsbecks

Arsenal are one of the toughest teams to play against on FIFA10...great strikers (especially Van persie) and the team is rock solid on defence.

yet you still complain.....

he thinks they are the best team in the world

id0lise · 06-11-2009, 06:11 PM

I'm certainly not saying that Arsenal are the best team in the world. Far from that, we were the fourth best club in Europe last year. (Judging behind Man Utd, Barcelona and Chelsea who deserved a place in the final too.)

But there are certain qualities that clubs have. It's clear to see.

Chelsea players are strong and very good at shooting from distance. Strong Central Defence, good passing.

Manchester Utd players are extremely fit, well disciplined. Good at shooting from distance, with speed in the wings.

Arsenal surely you would then say are Fast, good at quick passing and movement, and technically skillful. Not physically strong all over the field, nor great at long distance shooting.

05-11-2009, 03:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
id0lise Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6	Incorrect stats and attributes - I ask why to EA I'll start my thread by saying that I love the Fifa franchise but my support and that of many I know is waning. I am an Arsenal fan and my love of Fifa has always been the accuracy of Player Names, Club Names and Player Attributes along with the general gameplay. However, for the past two versions many things have got me thinking that EA aren't listening to supporters of the game. Starting with physical statistics, things like height and weight. I feel that if these things are important within the game engine then they ought to be accurately researched. Something akin to Championship Manager. Things such as - Gael Clichy - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. When he only comes in at 5'9 1/2" Robin van Persie - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. When in reality he is 6'2" according to opta stats. Darren Fletcher - 6'0" tall according to Fifa. Reality: 6'2" Other things such as - Thomas Vermaelen - Acc 70 + Sprint 72 Where in interviews on opposing players have revealed he is one of the fastest and most difficult defenders to come up against. Johann Djourou - Acc 69 + Sprint 76 I defy anyone to correctly argue that when seeing Djourou run that he is below the speed of Robin van Persie, Rio Ferdinand and others. There is a common consensus that Arsenal lack the necessary Experience and age to win a title, and I am not denying this right now. What I am denying though is that there is one thing all Arsenal players have. That is pace. Lots of it! The number of times I've seen Gael Clichy skin Cristiano Ronaldo for pace. The number of times I've seen Thomas Vermaelen outpace every defence he has played against. All in the flesh, from section 108 at the Emirates stadium. Surely EA must see the light and correct stupid errors like this? Not just for my club, but surely you lifelong fans of other clubs have seen similar things...

05-11-2009, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nikidinho Rookie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 119	agreed to everything.. I hate how the less known players are so underrated! I think EA rate the players according to what the media says about them. __________________

05-11-2009, 09:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
DemonGun Forum Guru Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Singapore Age: 38 Posts: 1,155	Maybe EA should explain in their blogs or popcast on how they evaluate the statistics of the players. I remembered also seeing an online advertisement from EA on hiring individuals for collecting statistics of players, clubs, photos and so on. __________________ Fifa09 Tips/UT Tips: http://www.squidoo.com/fifa09-tips Fifa10 Tips/UT Tips: http://www.squidoo.com/fifa-10-tips

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05-11-2009, 04:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
threelionsbecks Rookie Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 203	Arsenal are one of the toughest teams to play against on FIFA10...great strikers (especially Van persie) and the team is rock solid on defence. yet you still complain.....

05-11-2009, 04:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jamess_Pine Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hull Age: 18 Posts: 1,007	Agreed Mendy for Hull. 1 he is not a right back hes right mid. 2. his sprint speed should be about 85 and acceleration around 78. But its not..

05-11-2009, 09:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
tkuall Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 142	more offensive is bendtner strength 78 lalala then people like denilson and diaby both quite slow. And finally vermaelen shooting ability is really low when he has got 100% shot on target ratio

05-11-2009, 09:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Roonaldos Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 588	clichy is the worng height but the others are right that you mentioned. v. persie might be half an inch less in real life.

05-11-2009, 09:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
Roonaldos Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 588	the ratings are rubbish though obertan is 68 and nani 81 lalala swap the ratings and add 20 to obertans pace and skill and evans is only 76 he was better than ferdinand next season he should be at least 80

05-11-2009, 09:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
tkuall Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 142	rvp is 6ft 2 for definite, Im 6 ft 0 and ive met him an I can saftley say he is taller.

05-11-2009, 10:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
id0lise Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6	As far as I know, most stats are not researched but based on reputation. ie. 15 guys sit around a table and decide what certain players pace is. I take the point that nobody knew how good Vermaelen was before the game was released, but I saw him play numerous times at the Amsterdam Arena and his pace and strength was immense, this is going back two years. It just takes a simple bit of research, surely? Similar with the Obertan situation, watching him for Bordeaux the last couple of years he has great technique and pace. But just because he doesn't play each week means he is slow and bad at dribbling... ps. Robin van Persie is 6'2". Fact. As equal to the poster above, having met the man in person he is at least 2 inches above me and I come in at 6'0".

06-11-2009, 06:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
id0lise Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6	I'm certainly not saying that Arsenal are the best team in the world. Far from that, we were the fourth best club in Europe last year. (Judging behind Man Utd, Barcelona and Chelsea who deserved a place in the final too.) But there are certain qualities that clubs have. It's clear to see. Chelsea players are strong and very good at shooting from distance. Strong Central Defence, good passing. Manchester Utd players are extremely fit, well disciplined. Good at shooting from distance, with speed in the wings. Arsenal surely you would then say are Fast, good at quick passing and movement, and technically skillful. Not physically strong all over the field, nor great at long distance shooting.