Frame Rate

[acook59]

Hi guys,

I have a 64 bit computer and a hugely powerful graphics card but i still can't get good frame rates at very high effects quality. How do i make sure i'm playing using 64 bit? I hear there is a button in the game files somewhere but i can't find the game files on my computer, only on the cd yet it IS installed on the computer. Can anyone help?

[I_Hate_Errors]

what's the specifications of your PC?

[acook59]

Intel Xeon 2.8ghz processor,

8 gb ram,

Windows vista ultimate 64 bit,

ATI Radeon 4870 X2 graphics card,

That's about it. I found and tried the 64 bit game button but all i got was a blank black screen, can hear my graphics card revving up but can't see anything

[I_Hate_Errors]

Ok, follow this steps and see if this helps:

1-Lower the resolution of the game to 1024x768
2- In the Catalyst control panel, disable anti-aliasing or set it to x2

btw is your processor a single or multi-core???

[acook59]

Oh its a quad core

[acook59]

That helped a lot but the graphics are very pixellated! Is there any way i can get 64 bit version working?

[ZonalFear]

I'm sure that I read in a review on the ATI cards that some games failed to access all the GPU's available due to driver support.

Radeon HD 4870 X2 and Crossfire review

Ah, there^. The ATI's don't seem to be able to match like-for-like their nVidia counterparts.

[I_Hate_Errors]

Originally Posted by acook59

Oh its a quad core

hmm.. strange.. with such specs the game should run in high settings and high resolution and high FPS.

1-Try to enable ATI CrossFire
2-Run Dxdiag.exe and test Direct3D and see if there's any reported problems..
3-Make sure your GPU is not overheating
4-Except Crysis, are your other games running good??

[acook59]

How do i enable crossfire and how do i do dxdiag?

How do i tell the temp of my gpu?

Other than that, other games run perfectly

[I_Hate_Errors]

I don't know how but your Catalyst must look like this:



As you can see there's a Crossfire option select it and look for "enabled" or "enable"..

As for dxdiag you can run it by clicking Start==>Run and type "dxdiag.exe" a window must pop up, you must wait a bit for dxdiag to check directx files, when done click "display" button and click "Test Direct3D"

and as you see in the screen above, the Catalyst control panel shows the temperature of the GPU.

[acook59]

Hmm i don't have a catalyst panel

[KRAG-UK]

Originally Posted by acook59

Hi guys,

I have a 64 bit computer and a hugely powerful graphics card but i still can't get good frame rates at very high effects quality

Not many can get high frames per second with crysis at high resolutions and maximum video settings. I have a radeon 4870x2 plus 4 gb 1066mhz ram a quad core phenom @3ghz, and i only get low 30fps maximum 50fps average, 87fps if i look at the sky lol, that's on win xp 32-bit and vista 64-bit and win 7 64-bit. Frame rate is not great at high resolutions and not that great at 1024x768. I have even tried a phenom II x2 @3600Mhz and it's the same. Just like FarCry was very demanding on hardware in its day... Crysis is even demanding on state of the art hardware today.

[KRAG-UK]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_Errors

I don't know how but your Catalyst must look like this:



.

I have never seen the crossfire settings like that in any Catalyst Control Centre in any operating system, that is fake surely?

[KRAG-UK]

Originally Posted by ZonalFear

The ATI's don't seem to be able to match like-for-like their nVidia counterparts.

Yes because Crysis development was supported and optimized for nvidia graphics hardware. My bro-inlaws 8800 ULTRA looks and plays better than my 4870X2. I sold my bro a gaming pc which had the 8800 Ultra, which i bought especialy for Crysis.

[KRAG-UK]

For higher frame rates play Crysis in DirectX 9 mode.

[KRAG-UK]

Originally Posted by acook59

Hmm i don't have a catalyst panel

Something wrong there then. Download the latest CCC 9.8.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

The latest catalyst should improve situations.
Although if you still have framerate issues then that is primarily down to your graphics cards quality.

The more powerful the GPU the less lag you'll experience. Any GPU more powerful than that would mean that you won't experience the slightest of lag.

I have a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4890 overclocked edition. No problems there, its definitely better than my old 8600GT.
I don't experience any of the problems.

Although you may try to overclock your GPU by increasing the sliders of your GPU in the ATI Catalyst.

[acook59]

Hmmm i tried overclocking using catalyst and the computer crashes and shut down before crysis had even got past the first advert.

What would u say is the best graphics card i can use then to get the best frame rate?

[ZonalFear]

Originally Posted by acook59

Hmmm i tried overclocking using catalyst and the computer crashes and shut down before crysis had even got past the first advert.

What would u say is the best graphics card i can use then to get the best frame rate?

GeForce GTX 295

Definately one of the best graphics card available. Putting them in SLi will make it better, although the cost of a single 295GTX will make most people weep, let alone 2 of them.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Originally Posted by ZonalFear

GeForce GTX 295

Definately one of the best graphics card available. Putting them in SLi will make it better, although the cost of a single 295GTX will make most people weep, let alone 2 of them.

You don't need to buy a GTX 295!
You can get excellent frame rates with a single card only.
Yes its certainly the best graphics card avaiable in the market.

But it costs between 400-500 pounds. And its useless buying that card because in a few months time DirectX 11 will arrive and that card literally becomes useless.
I mean, not so useless but psychologically it will hurt the person who bought it for so much money, only to find it that he is stucked at playing on DX 10!

One of the best single graphics card on the market, that is bang for the money is the ATI Radeon HD 4890 OC card!
SAPPHIRE HD 4890 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E OC
This is the card I use at the moment. I run Crysis/Warhead on 1920x1200 resolution absolutely lagless and on enthusiastic settings on top of that playing it on a 24 inch monitor, couldn't get any better.
Well I bought the overclocked edition from ebay brand new!


And guess how much it costs? Well Only like £179.99. At that price its a steal!!! But now the standard card that is not overclocked can be bought for only £140.
And the added bonus of it having DX 10.1 better than 10.

So at the end of the day the choice is really personal. Either spend less than £200 on a 4890 Overclocked edition that is level on par with Nvidias GTX 285 and cost almost twice as less or splash the cash £300-£500!

When it comes to gaming on PC its really important that you buy your components wisely. If you don't then you'll be splashing thousands of pounds.
And this is one of the reasons why almost all Console gamers think that you require a thousand pound gaming PC to run games, no you don't!

[ZonalFear]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

You don't need to buy a GTX 295!
You can get excellent frame rates with a single card only.
Yes its certainly the best graphics card avaiable in the market.

But it costs between 400-500 pounds. And its useless buying that card because in a few months time DirectX 11 will arrive and that card literally becomes useless.
I mean, not so useless but psychologically it will hurt the person who bought it for so much money, only to find it that he is stucked at playing on DX 10!

Which is why I'm going to wait til the DX11 cards come out, making this beastly DX10 one cheaper! It'll still be good for 18 - 24 months after DX11, so I think it'd be a wise investment after DX11 GPU's ship.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Originally Posted by ZonalFear

Which is why I'm going to wait til the DX11 cards come out, making this beastly DX10 one cheaper! It'll still be good for 18 - 24 months after DX11, so I think it'd be a wise investment after DX11 GPU's ship.

Hmmm, yes.
But we should also bare in mind that if DX 11 is hardly improved from DX 10 then we should consider whether it would be really wise to spend the cash on it.
I personally don't see a great difference between playing Crysis on DX 9.0 or on DX 10.
I also played Tom Clancys Hawx demo on PC which supports DX 10.1. My graphics card which is the ATI 4890 supports DX 10.1.
And to be honest the difference is quite minor.
Seriously when I compare these screenshots, I ask myself "what's so spectacular about DX 10"?

Here's a screenshot comparison of Crysis.
Now ofcourse we can see a bit of difference, not hugely.
But its not like I would jump outta the window from amazement!

After all that I still remain neautral.
The only differences I can see from this is that the lighting is different. On the mountains the trees and greens are less visible on DX 9.0 where as on DX 10 its more visible.

The actual look of it is 95% the same for me in my opinion.

Now the real question is, how different will DX 11 be compared to DX 10?
If again DX 11 is hardly any different then I might as well as stick with my current card.

When I bought for example my ATI Radeon HD 4890 OC card, I didn't buy it because it had DX 10.1. I bought it exactly due to framerate issues that I have been experiencing.
I noticed that the most important thing in buying a graphics card is having good framerate and good performance!!

And another thing we will have to consider, DX 11 will have worser framerates than DX 10 due to complexity!
If I now were to use a weaker graphics card like my previous 8600GT and set it to DX 9.0 I could play Crysis flawlessly with no lag, if not completely lagless at least much less laggy than before!

So that's another way to improve framerates in Crysis!
DX 10 is a big eater and its not like it was any more advanced compared to DX 9.0. You get like 10-30 frames per socnd more if you set your game to DX 9.0 compared to DX 10 in most of the games from my own experience.

But the trouble with that is that Crysis always runs DX 10 by default! I have to right click on Crysis and select PlayDX9 which is kinda hectic to do each and every time.

So I thought to myself, "I might as well as give up and stop compromising, and buy myself a new card instead".
And that is indeed what I did. I hope my card lasts longer cos really its so great playing games now without experiencing any lag, its a wealth of difference to PC gaming.

Oh and I hope I can use the card till DX 12 comes out!

[ZonalFear]

I agree with the DX9 vs DX10 point. I can't see the difference between DX9 and DX10, aside from the fact that DX10 seems to put more strain on the GPU, taking down my framerates by 6-10fps.

If I now were to use a weaker graphics card like my previous 8600GT and set it to DX 9.0 I could play Crysis flawlessly

I own a 8600GT.

I've played Crysis, and it actually runs ok on an 8600GT. Most of the stuff on low, textures on medium, 1280x1024. Ran smoothly - but certainly nowhere near its potential on a more powerful GPU.

I didn't realise Crysis forced DX10. I'll have to change that and see what I can get away with.