Crash mode just poor :(

alex98uk · 06-02-2009, 07:29 PM

I only had a PS2 and therefore the last Burnout i played was Burnout 3: Takedown.

I was very excited when i heard the transition to PC, however, having received the game, i'm a little disappointed on three fronts.

1: Where are the cars? Paradise city must be purely pedestrianised because I seem to only come across 1 car every 10 seconds. Where are the large swathes of traffic i can weave in and out of? It makes the game seem a bit empty really. It also makes planning a showtime crash difficult.

2: Crash mode.. what's happened? I used to love piling into a junction and seeing the utter carnage i created at the end. Car wrecks disappear in Paradise meaning that all my artistic destruction is removed as soon as the camera turns away from it.

The endless boost in showtime means that crashes get stupid and almost never ending. I managed to effectively travel from one end of the map to the other skipping over cars that seemed to be aiming for me? Again, a little bit of Burnout that should have been copied from the original.

3: Lastly, racing in Burnout is similar to competing in the Paralympics as an able bodied person, it's just too easy. Even in marked man when i'm the enemy, cars carefully rub up against me like they want to carefully touch and caress my paintwork. Why not let the AI rage, why not let them try to blast me off the road, it would be more fun than the seemingly pedestrian paced races that occur.

Don't get me wrong, i love paradise, but i feel Criterion have tried too hard to reinvent the game. Taking a real world example, people wouldn't try and reinvent the wheel because, simply, it works. They optimise it and add new features likes ice spikes. There is no need to try and reinvent modes in Burnout because what previously existed worked a treat.

I will still play Paradise but in the words of Mr. Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw, i have this little niggling demon in the back of my head telling me i'm not having as much fun as I could be.

Hopefully a dev might respond to this

Scarffo · 06-02-2009, 08:20 PM

On the 360 version, it's not easy. It's about average, really, but not easy.

Peteo · 06-02-2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex98uk

2: Crash mode.. what's happened? I used to love piling into a junction and seeing the utter carnage i created at the end. Car wrecks disappear in Paradise meaning that all my artistic destruction is removed as soon as the camera turns away from it.

I just opened a thead about this 5 minuts ago

Hopefully they will notice us! It shouldn't be hard for them to get such a worthwhile update out.

alex98uk · 08-02-2009, 08:04 PM

I'm simply embarrassed i suggested this game to my friends.

If any of them are here, i'm sorry guys, i owe you a pint to make up for it.

Luggruff · 09-02-2009, 05:52 PM

sounds nothing like the PS3 version..

..maybe time to get a computer that is not from 1995?

gravy666 · 04-03-2009, 01:15 AM

I don't have any explanation for the traffic, and yes I do miss it... but Showtime mode is good for when you want to see the roads PACKED with traffic.

Crash mode is gone because it would call for loading screens, which Criterion hate with a burning passion (no pun intended).

Marked Man... you just need to get a much better license, because the early events are designed for newbies.

flatfroggerx · 04-03-2009, 03:31 AM

IMO crash mode was tedious and linear.

Sure you left a path of destruction but it was a highly scripted game mode, once you saw the solution there wasn't much more to get out of it.

Thats another thing criterion wanted to get away from, linearity.

Side note: I've seen the PC version on my friends PC and theres about as much traffic as there is on the 360 (which I own) or PS3 version (another friend owns). In some cases there was more, so I dunno what to say, I know there are less cars when using a bike.

Spidery Yoda · 04-03-2009, 04:27 AM

I agree about crash mode. Less linear or not, Showtime is awful compared to the excellent crash modes in Burnout 2 and 3. I'd much much rather have scripted crash junctions that I had to try over and over again to get a better score on (and take turns in multiplayer - good times) than bounce through the city doing what feels like zero damage to cars that feel like tin foil.

I really hope criterion brings back a proper crash mode in the next game.

Nutter · 05-03-2009, 02:13 AM

Like I've mentioned before. The old Crash modes were like challenges. You had to analyse the scene and plan the best way to rack up the dollars. Showtime seems to be less of an thinking challenge and more of a Luck challenge. You can flip a car one time and onle get a few thousand dollars, and the next time 5 buses spawn in front of you.

Also, for completing a certain amounts of crashes in Revenge, you were rewarded with a Crash Breaker, which can change the entire outcomes. Paradise doesn't seem to have the same appeal.

Ever since finishing all the Showtime events, I have not once used that feature.

Gomjaba · 22-05-2009, 11:55 AM

Old Crashmode was ok, but like someone mentioned, as soon as you knew the solution that was it .. I prefer showtime actually ...

But for me its the same, never done a showtime ones I "owned" all roads.

Tarquin · 24-05-2009, 11:46 AM

What's your best Showtime score?

Criterion Games - Article - The World's Biggest Showtime Score: How to achieve it

Gomjaba · 25-05-2009, 03:07 PM

lol - mine is like 4-6M

Nutter · 26-05-2009, 06:46 AM

There is a thread here [Link] if you want post up your scores for others to see and compare to.

Deza007 · 27-05-2009, 06:53 AM

I had burnout revenge. My sister loved the crash mode on it, she beat me everytime. But then the Xbox broke with burnout revenge inside it

0wictor0 · 21-08-2009, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutter

Like I've mentioned before. The old Crash modes were like challenges. You had to analyse the scene and plan the best way to rack up the dollars. Showtime seems to be less of an thinking challenge and more of a Luck challenge. You can flip a car one time and onle get a few thousand dollars, and the next time 5 buses spawn in front of you.

[...]

Ever since finishing all the Showtime events, I have not once used that feature.

So if this is the idea behind that mode, why not to combine both modes: Showtime and Crash Junctions? Whats about a Crashbreaker in Showtime events? Or a huge explosion at the end of event?
BO Paradise is awesome... but its not that bombastic as Revenge & co. There is speed and adrenaline - but there is not much action as it was before.
Think about that...

speedracer32 · 03-10-2009, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luggruff

sounds nothing like the PS3 version..

..maybe time to get a computer that is not from 1995?

you are wrong and he is right BP races are to easy and i can spend the whole race not boosting and still win

06-02-2009, 07:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
alex98uk Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Swindon Age: 20 Gender: Male Posts: 50	Crash mode just poor :( I only had a PS2 and therefore the last Burnout i played was Burnout 3: Takedown. I was very excited when i heard the transition to PC, however, having received the game, i'm a little disappointed on three fronts. 1: Where are the cars? Paradise city must be purely pedestrianised because I seem to only come across 1 car every 10 seconds. Where are the large swathes of traffic i can weave in and out of? It makes the game seem a bit empty really. It also makes planning a showtime crash difficult. 2: Crash mode.. what's happened? I used to love piling into a junction and seeing the utter carnage i created at the end. Car wrecks disappear in Paradise meaning that all my artistic destruction is removed as soon as the camera turns away from it. The endless boost in showtime means that crashes get stupid and almost never ending. I managed to effectively travel from one end of the map to the other skipping over cars that seemed to be aiming for me? Again, a little bit of Burnout that should have been copied from the original. 3: Lastly, racing in Burnout is similar to competing in the Paralympics as an able bodied person, it's just too easy. Even in marked man when i'm the enemy, cars carefully rub up against me like they want to carefully touch and caress my paintwork. Why not let the AI rage, why not let them try to blast me off the road, it would be more fun than the seemingly pedestrian paced races that occur. Don't get me wrong, i love paradise, but i feel Criterion have tried too hard to reinvent the game. Taking a real world example, people wouldn't try and reinvent the wheel because, simply, it works. They optimise it and add new features likes ice spikes. There is no need to try and reinvent modes in Burnout because what previously existed worked a treat. I will still play Paradise but in the words of Mr. Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw, i have this little niggling demon in the back of my head telling me i'm not having as much fun as I could be. Hopefully a dev might respond to this

06-02-2009, 08:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scarffo Elite Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 8,428 Blog Entries: 1	On the 360 version, it's not easy. It's about average, really, but not easy. __________________

04-03-2009, 03:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
flatfroggerx Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,961	IMO crash mode was tedious and linear. Sure you left a path of destruction but it was a highly scripted game mode, once you saw the solution there wasn't much more to get out of it. Thats another thing criterion wanted to get away from, linearity. Side note: I've seen the PC version on my friends PC and theres about as much traffic as there is on the 360 (which I own) or PS3 version (another friend owns). In some cases there was more, so I dunno what to say, I know there are less cars when using a bike. __________________ *No longer buying any EA PC game which includes Limited Activations, I do NOT* endorse Limited Activations Opt for Securom Activation FREE versions of EA games through fairer services like steam**

04-03-2009, 04:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
Spidery Yoda Forum Guru Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 20 Posts: 1,665	I agree about crash mode. Less linear or not, Showtime is awful compared to the excellent crash modes in Burnout 2 and 3. I'd much much rather have scripted crash junctions that I had to try over and over again to get a better score on (and take turns in multiplayer - good times) than bounce through the city doing what feels like zero damage to cars that feel like tin foil. I really hope criterion brings back a proper crash mode in the next game. __________________

05-03-2009, 02:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
Nutter EA Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The 104 Building, Shibuya Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 12,234	Like I've mentioned before. The old Crash modes were like challenges. You had to analyse the scene and plan the best way to rack up the dollars. Showtime seems to be less of an thinking challenge and more of a Luck challenge. You can flip a car one time and onle get a few thousand dollars, and the next time 5 buses spawn in front of you. Also, for completing a certain amounts of crashes in Revenge, you were rewarded with a Crash Breaker, which can change the entire outcomes. Paradise doesn't seem to have the same appeal. Ever since finishing all the Showtime events, I have not once used that feature. __________________ deviantART - [Overload] - GFXvoid

08-02-2009, 08:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
alex98uk Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Swindon Age: 20 Gender: Male Posts: 50	I'm simply embarrassed i suggested this game to my friends. If any of them are here, i'm sorry guys, i owe you a pint to make up for it.

09-02-2009, 05:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Luggruff Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 7	sounds nothing like the PS3 version.. ..maybe time to get a computer that is not from 1995?

04-03-2009, 01:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
gravy666 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 262	I don't have any explanation for the traffic, and yes I do miss it... but Showtime mode is good for when you want to see the roads PACKED with traffic. Crash mode is gone because it would call for loading screens, which Criterion hate with a burning passion (no pun intended). Marked Man... you just need to get a much better license, because the early events are designed for newbies.

22-05-2009, 11:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
Gomjaba Rookie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 94	Old Crashmode was ok, but like someone mentioned, as soon as you knew the solution that was it .. I prefer showtime actually ... But for me its the same, never done a showtime ones I "owned" all roads.

24-05-2009, 11:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tarquin Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 37	What's your best Showtime score? Criterion Games - Article - The World's Biggest Showtime Score: How to achieve it

26-05-2009, 06:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
Nutter EA Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The 104 Building, Shibuya Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 12,234	There is a thread here [Link] if you want post up your scores for others to see and compare to. __________________ deviantART - [Overload] - GFXvoid