Do You Spawn Kill?

[Booda]

I'm glad I play the entire game legit. I don't spawn camp, base rape, glitch, qscope, or any of the other lala. I play a fair game and take pride in knowing that fact.

[Astr0damus]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Ronin - A samurai without a lord; an outcast.
Oni - A demonic creature often of fearful appearance.

Don't get mad at me, but I always assumed it was some sort of pasta.

[unit408bigpapij]

Originally Posted by RoaDRaGeVW

I'm glad I play the entire game legit. I don't spawn camp, base rape, glitch, qscope, or any of the other lala. I play a fair game and take pride in knowing that fact.

The question was about spawn killing but im glad you are legit.

[Ronin0ni]

by inadvertantly spawn kill, I mean you drop bombs on the enemy base and someone spawns into it.

I could not target a spawn if you told me too, I just aim at their base, and hold the trigger, bombs drop, someone MIGHT spawn and die, I don't even know if any spawn locations are in my target zone, I am just targetting the enemy base. Targetting a mortar on a spot BECAUSE it's a spawn location is a different story.

See, by intentionally NOT paying attention to spawn locations, I am free of the temtation to abuse that knowledge.

I don't give 2 cents if the enemy thinks I am spawn camping or not, I know what I am doing, and I know I am not being some cheap 2 dollar lalalalala exploiting something as simple as poor spawn system design.

Can all of you say the same? HONESTLY say the same? You don't need to prove lalalala to me, really. Even if I did care, you shouldn't care what I think anyways. I AM still gonna call anyone who does it a cheap lalalalala though

[Jamesspade2]

Originally Posted by unit408bigpapij

What I am saying is this:
Timmy just got BFBC & put it in his XBOX for the first time. He plays un-ranked for an hour to get the hang of it & then goes for ranked. He joins a random game. He spawns, takes a step in a direction & is killed by a grenade. Timmy's reaction will be "hmmm,ok". He spawns again, this time, as he is taking his first step, mortar strike, dead, again, Timmy is scratching his head. 3rd time he spawns, is he now aware of his suroundings & knows the enemy is close by still. He spawns & runs for cover, sees the enemy but cant do anything about it cause they are camped in a building accross the way, he is deas again. At that point Timmy then says "Wow, these guys are spawn killing lalalalalalala", Timmy then leaves the game.

It was not a knife in the back that ruined Timmy's game, it was him being killed before he could do anything. You might not think of it as spawn killing but to the noob out there, it is spawn killing.

Ya, well, that's a spawn camp. Nothing in that says base camp.

Throw a grenade in the direction of where people spawn, or mortar strike, is spawn kill.

Using your logic, using a tank from Defender base to the enemy base across the map, and your shell hit's a guy who just spawned, then you're spawn killing.

And really, since when did you start caring about the new guys??

[Jamesspade2]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Can all of you say the same? HONESTLY say the same? You don't need to prove lalalala to me, really. Even if I did care, you shouldn't care what I think anyways. I AM still gonna call anyone who does it a cheap lalalalala though

I can say that I don't spawn camp. I have killed, on running through a base, a guy who just spawned, and also been killed a grip by a guy who spawned behind me.

Ya, I know a few spawn points, but I ignore them.

[Ronin0ni]

I'm sorry, but lobbing explosives into an enemy base and killing someone as they spawn may *technically* be a "Spawn kill" but it is NOT the same thing by miles.

You guys are really reaching here

[WantonHERO]

Ok, I'm going to go ahead and admit it:

I love Lucky Charms cereal in the morning and I eat it before I go to bed. The trick with Lucky Charms is marshmallow conservation!

If you have to many marshmallows in one spoon you better put the spoon back and evaluate your choice, fool!

If you run out of marshmallows before you finish the nasty cardboard-tasting cereal then your not gonna have a good time.

and I only spawn kill when I ask for permission from the defending team:
yes- when I get through the defense to the spawn
no- when I get ns2000ed in the cabasa as soon as I get to their base

[Booda]

I understand what you're saying RoninOni.

[stpeterson28]

I guess i base rape i don't really wait in one spot waiting to kill someone i go through the base looking to kill anyone people who have been alive for awhile people who just pawn it doesn't matter as long as i get kills and provide a forward spawn for my squad

[bluberrysmack]

I don't no why some of you are getting upset with others doing it. I am not trying to stick up for them in anyway that constantly do that, but the anger should be towards DICE for effortlessly putting in fixed spawn points.

[ThomasJC123]

Nope, I don't.

You should have posted a definition there Foot, because now there alot of different thoughts on what spawn killing is.

For me, spawn killing is sitting behind an enemy spawn point, waiting for them to spawn, and kill them immediately. Yes, I've killed people right as they spawned, but I wasn't waiting there, so that doesn't count as spawn killing for me. If it is, then everyone in this game is a spawn killer.

[unit408bigpapij]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

by inadvertantly spawn kill, I mean you drop bombs on the enemy base and someone spawns into it.

I could not target a spawn if you told me too, I just aim at their base, and hold the trigger, bombs drop, someone MIGHT spawn and die, I don't even know if any spawn locations are in my target zone, I am just targetting the enemy base. Targetting a mortar on a spot BECAUSE it's a spawn location is a different story.

See, by intentionally NOT paying attention to spawn locations, I am free of the temtation to abuse that knowledge.

I don't give 2 cents if the enemy thinks I am spawn camping or not, I know what I am doing, and I know I am not being some cheap 2 dollar lalalalala exploiting something as simple as poor spawn system design.

Can all of you say the same? HONESTLY say the same? You don't need to prove lalalala to me, really. Even if I did care, you shouldn't care what I think anyways. I AM still gonna call anyone who does it a cheap lalalalala though

I am not going to argue with you or anyone else. it is pointless, this topic is a topic of "opinion" as you said it yourself (highlighted in red). See, its been my point all along. There is not clear cut definition of spawn killing except the literal term (kill people as they spawn) & the opiion of the person you killed.

We are also talking about spawn killing, not spawn camping.

Originally Posted by Jamesspade2

Ya, well, that's a spawn camp. Nothing in that says base camp.

Throw a grenade in the direction of where people spawn, or mortar strike, is spawn kill.

Using your logic, using a tank from Defender base to the enemy base across the map, and your shell hit's a guy who just spawned, then you're spawn killing.

And really, since when did you start caring about the new guys??

I dont care that much about the new guy, I care as much about them as they do about me. I just see everything differently. I cant act like I dont know where the spawn points are because I do. If a crate is in the process of being taken & I spawn on the guy taking it, what would you have me do? i need to take cover & kill people who would be a threat to disarm, since I know the spawn point, im dropping a mortar on the spawn & then im shooting. Im not camping behind the spawn, im camping above the crate or next to it.

So I am a self proclaimed spawn killer & like I told Glock, im the worst kind cause I will spawn kill with a tank. Im still a nice guy & if i saw you in a game on my team, I would not say "There is that lalalalalala BKB guy". Im not like that at all.

[mudderz]

i play cqc mainly, when aproaching an enemy flag i go through the spawn points to make sure i can start to take the flag without getting owned, i do that. on par for the course, top right base, you can take the flag and face 1 of the spawn points, i do that.

i dont camp at spawn point when the flag is not being taken.

the way i see it if you spawn into a flag that is being contested then be prepaired for a spawn killer, if i get killed that way then fair enough, its the risk you take.

but if i spawn into a ''SAFE'' flag that is not being contested and i get spawn killed the be prepared for a lalalala whoopin.

[georgethedog]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

by inadvertantly spawn kill, I mean you drop bombs on the enemy base and someone spawns into it.

I could not target a spawn if you told me too, I just aim at their base, and hold the trigger, bombs drop, someone MIGHT spawn and die, I don't even know if any spawn locations are in my target zone, I am just targetting the enemy base. Targetting a mortar on a spot BECAUSE it's a spawn location is a different story.

See, by intentionally NOT paying attention to spawn locations, I am free of the temtation to abuse that knowledge.
though

if you expect me to believe you dont know where the spawn points are then you are insulting my intelligence, you know when you die and come back to life at your base whether in attack or defence, well the places that you appear are the same for each map every time

[TVI Mr Tom]

only if i have been spawn-killed

[urskunked]

there is very little difference in spawn camping and base camping. like i said, the latter is just less effective and it's a matter of what ever makes you sleep better at night.

if i get back to your spawn, the place where there is expected to be the greatest amount of enemies or at least a high traffic area of enemies, do you not think i can't get the crates? keep in mind, i am talking about just 1 person spawn camping, not a team or a squad - not yet. if i am spawn killing, all i am doing is prolonging the game. would you rather die a few times or just lose the game within 5mins of my playtime of it? don't worry, i'll decide that for you.

when a team or a squad spawn camps/ kills, it should be considered a tactic and a stragegy. because it is. i'll go back to a point that i made that spawn camping and spawn killing will happen, regardless of what your oppinion or rationality on it may or may not be. just because you are not good enough to deal with it, does not give you the right to call the tactic and the people who use it non-legitiment. get better or stop playing. pretending that you are on a higher morale ground might make you sleep better at night and maybe make up for any deficiencies in your real life, but it will not make me stop doing it.

[BioSoldier]

I admit I do spawn camp, but I'm trying to get out of the habit. I have lowered my amount severely now only if they pop in front of me. base raping i do though because it's more fun and they do have a chance.
since base camping is spawn camping then yes i spawn camp.
Just thought I might add this:
It's seems kinda wrong to spawn camp on CQ but not as much on GR. I have rarely seen people spawn camp on CQ but I see a lot of it on GR. Maybe because it's easier but still a bit weird.

[Sham1980]

I don't spawn camp. It's a flaw in the game, having a few set spawn points that people exploit. I mean how fair is that? the person spawning in has no chance if any to even 'compete' and i just dont like that, even though talent on the field is not alwasy equal, I like to think that every one's chances to compete should be. Base camping though is ok, as far as being in the base and raising hell, but just sitting on an exact spawn point and hitting the 'knife' button is ridiculous.

[BL3SS_T3H_F4LL]

Only on Final Ignition

[unit408bigpapij]

Originally Posted by Jamesspade2

I can say that I don't spawn camp. I have killed, on running through a base, a guy who just spawned, and also been killed a grip by a guy who spawned behind me.

Ya, I know a few spawn points, but I ignore them.

Your a good guy, we all know it, you play legit & fair with "others" in mind. Have you ever gotten hate mail for spawn killing? I have, even when im not spawn camping.

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

I'm sorry, but lobbing explosives into an enemy base and killing someone as they spawn may *technically* be a "Spawn kill" but it is NOT the same thing by miles.

You guys are really reaching here

I dont think so, its not reaching. I get hate mail almost daily from people calling me a spawn killer cause I do this exact thing. I am telling you, its an opinion. The game was not designed with the ability to avoid it. In some cases, the only way to avoid spawn killing is to let someone live & not kill them when you have a clear shot, call me a spawn killer, Im gonna kill that person

Originally Posted by stpeterson28

I guess i base rape i don't really wait in one spot waiting to kill someone i go through the base looking to kill anyone people who have been alive for awhile people who just pawn it doesn't matter as long as i get kills and provide a forward spawn for my squad

its a good strategy, spawn+kill= spawn killer

Originally Posted by bluberrysmack

I don't no why some of you are getting upset with others doing it. I am not trying to stick up for them in anyway that constantly do that, but the anger should be towards DICE for effortlessly putting in fixed spawn points.

agreed, 100% agreed

Originally Posted by ThomasJC123

Nope, I don't.

You should have posted a definition there Foot, because now there alot of different thoughts on what spawn killing is.

For me, spawn killing is sitting behind an enemy spawn point, waiting for them to spawn, and kill them immediately. Yes, I've killed people right as they spawned, but I wasn't waiting there, so that doesn't count as spawn killing for me. If it is, then everyone in this game is a spawn killer.

I respect your opinion, I know you are all for being legit but the noob on the other end you just killed when he spawned is calling you can effin spawn killer. The truth is, the game is perfectly made for everyone to spawn kill. There are crates on big maps (especially HD) where the spawn is next to the crate & if you are taking the crate with a tank, you will either spawn kill or get blown up.

My routine on HD when attacking:
Light tank, roll up to first crate (in front). Start hitting crate, looking left, kill the guy as he spawns (look right). i see the guy spawn next to the ammo crate, bam, hes dead, I continue to hit the crate, rinse, repeat.
Soooo....I am not sitting behind the spawn point or even next to the spawn point, I am taking the crate but I am also racking up kills as I do it & the kills I am getting is the second they spawn or a second after they spawn (spawn kill with a tank while taking 2 crates = 350 points in 3 minutes).

What is the rest of my team doing? I am taking the crates in a tank, they are raping the heck out of the base, killing everything in sight, I dont need their help taking the crates, one or 2 of them help me kill people in the spawns I am covering. Glock & Wanton C4 people off the Tow missles, Tag Hunter is sensor knifing people & we win & dominate the round. We are not sitting there for 15 minutes spawn camping but I get hate messages for being a spawn killer & for having a clan full of spawn killers.
Sorry, next time I will VSS you from the fence & leave the crates.

I can sit here & try to tell you guys that I am taking the crate & the guy spawning is a casualty of me being there to take the crate but ask the guy I keep spawn killing if its OK

[curb47]

Blah blah blah blah blah spawn kill blah blah legit blah blah spawn camp blah base camp blah blah base rape blah blah boring blah boring blah blah.

[Booda]

Originally Posted by curb47

Blah blah blah blah blah spawn kill blah blah legit blah blah spawn camp blah base camp blah blah base rape blah blah boring blah boring blah blah.

Now this is real contribution to the forums right here.

[Ronin0ni]

Originally Posted by georgethedog

if you expect me to believe you dont know where the spawn points are then you are insulting my intelligence, you know when you die and come back to life at your base whether in attack or defence, well the places that you appear are the same for each map every time

But I don't pay attention... I mean, when I spawn I know where I am at, but I couldn't tell you where any spawn points are at, except VERY few, such as the spawn point on Ascension CQ, 2nd base from the top, you can spawn at the bottom of the stairs, next to the stairwell, in that corner, and if you are taking the flag, that is a no brainer spot to stand behind.

As someone else mentioned, if you spawn into a base being captured, you should know there is a relatively decent chance you will be killed on the spot, or within a few steps... enemy are taking the base, and if there is no blue there, chances are they are watching at least 1 spawn point, even inadvertently. Spawn at your own risk.

In Conquest, IMO, there is really no such thing as spawn camping... well there is, but it's so rare, and almost pointless, it's not really worth considering. People will "spawn camp" when taking a flag cause it just so happens that a good spot to take the flag happens to be right next to a spawn point.

I have also, inadvertently, taken up position overwatching a friend taking the flag, knowing enemy would spawn outside the flag area and go in after him, what I didn't know, at first, was that I was sitting right next to a spawn point, until someone dropped right next to me startling me half to death and got knifed.

IMO, those are acceptable happenstances on the battlefield.

Gold Rush, on the other hand, only offers you 2 spawn options, base, and squad. So long as you have a single squad member alive, you can't get spawn camped, which is why, IMO it's not USUALLY a big deal. However if the attackers get pushed into their base, wiped out, and defenders set up shop, defenders can literally shut the game down. I have seen it happen, usually in small games with 8 or fewer per team, usually fewer on the attackers (like 8 on 4) and every single spawn point gets covered.


For Foot's poll, fine, I 'voted' wrong cause I have killed people as they spawn who the hell hasn't. N00bamatic 2000 with a whopping 10 hours game time has probably killed someone as they spawn, give me a bloody break, its a pointless poll then. I am not a spawn CAMPER though, and I think anyone, and everyone will agree to the defintion of spawn camping is someone sitting in 1 spot, watching an exact spawn location, waiting for people to spawn and killing them before they can move.

Have I spawn killed? Sure, who the hell hasn't. Am I spawn camper? Bloody hell no.

I dont think so, its not reaching. I get hate mail almost daily from people calling me a spawn killer cause I do this exact thing. I am telling you, its an opinion. The game was not designed with the ability to avoid it. In some cases, the only way to avoid spawn killing is to let someone live & not kill them when you have a clear shot, call me a spawn killer, Im gonna kill that person

Sittin back shelling a base is not spawn camping though, sure, you may get some spawn kills, and people will QQ about it, and on the receving end, it's annoying as hell when the attackers line up all their tanks and the helo 500m back and just shell the base while repairing at the same time, I hate it when games turn out that way, but it's still not spawn camping.

[unit408bigpapij]

Well, in my opinion. i do not see the difference with spawn killing & spawn camping. Both of them have the same result & the teams spawing has the same options of living, none. We have spawn killed 12 vs 12 before. I can spawn kill & not be camped behind the enemy spawn point. Does this make me legit? Does this mean I am better than the guy who sits behind the spawn with a knife or shot gun? I dont think so. My objective is the same (kill them as they spawn). My feeling is that once I get into your base, I make it my own & set up shop & in some cases, if you dont spawn kill, you cant take the crates (Ascension is a good example). last set of crates in Ascension. The one crate is between the 2 spawn points. If you dont have eyes & guns on the spawn points you will not be able to take those crates against decent players.