Stupid support soldiers - and more.

Andreas of SWE · 12-01-2009, 02:29 PM

One thing that really annoys me is the lack of decent support soldiers - especially now when there are SO many new people playing the game. Some of you out there are class, really good, and can read the game play and you know where to be at and when.

But in general, getting a simple, little medi pack or having your tank fixed when needed, is a real struggle. Sometimes I've ended up standing in front of a support soldier - and all he does is look at me, or try to run past me, thinking I'm a weird nutter trying to harass him. It drives me mad. And many, many times, when being at an important stage of the map/game, I've ended up shooting him just to be able to take over his kit and "heal" myself. Been worth it every time.

This is another reason why I avoid playing this game on my own, without my usual squad, nowadays. The lack of decent ROLL PLAYERS is driving me insane.

As for the newbie part. Don't get me started on the issue of having 3-4 snipers sitting next to each other on a hill shooting at the same target (automatic sniper rifle, of course, so they can attract enemies as they miss their target, lovely), support soldiers sitting somewhere sniping, people queing for the artillery gun while the rest of us are trying to charge the crates, seriously lalalala players stealing the helicopter or tank from experienced, well-skilled pilots/drivers, or .... well, the list could go on.

Last night a guy in my team even drove the helicopter to the enemy base, landed, settled down, got out, scratched the sand of his pant and went in to charge the crate - before he got killed, of course. As for the helicopter...

(Sorry, it's monday.)

Symonator · 12-01-2009, 03:35 PM

i play support proably 9 game sout of ten and maybe switch to demo in between.

I have even landed my heli to give people medic packs on occasions lol.

the big issue is not always the support guys fault, i can't even count how many times i have dished out medi packs for the team , they just walk off, or there in a tank and yur reparing it from left or right side, and they just run over u, or ya trying to hide and a sniper comes up wanting medi pack whilst we have a tank and 10 enemys to kill right in front of our face.

The players that need healing need to stop running off, tk with tanks , they also need to be aware of whats going on, its not always support guys problems..

The-LIONS-Share · 12-01-2009, 03:36 PM

hey shhhhhhhhhhhh abt the multiple snipers lol i shanked 5 of them the other day on 1 rooftop lalalalala and with the moronic support guys i usually just slash them once with my blade to let them know im there 4 a reason and if they dont react ill stand in there sights for a few mins so they cant shoot inless they shoot me lol that way i get what i need either way Full health

curb47 · 12-01-2009, 03:50 PM

I have exactly the same experiences as djsy2008/Symonator... I usually play as Support (and switch to Demolition when necessary) and think I'm pretty good at it, in the sense that I really enjoy looking after my team and go out of my way to heal people and repair vehicles (without stealing them!)...but I can't count the amount of times i've seen a nearly-dead player and rushed to heal him/her only to have them run away as I'm right next to them. It's as if they don't realise there are people there to help them... I end up chasing them for a bit until I just figure that they're too stupid and not worth healing... ie, they deserve to die.

I thoroughly recommend a tactic I picked up on this forum... If you find yourself standing in front of a support guy, trying to get them to drop a medic-pack without any success... just TK them, swap your kit over, give yourself a medic-pack, then swap back to your original kit.

You'll obviously get -10 points for a TK... but, hey... they got to learn the hard way right?

Andreas of SWE · 12-01-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djsy2008

The players that need healing need to stop running off, tk with tanks , they also need to be aware of whats going on, its not always support guys problems..

Trust me. If a support soldier is sitting around, hiding in a barrack, and I walk back and forth and jump in front of him, plus there is a clear cross over my head, he is to consider a poor support soldier if not healing me.

curb47 · 12-01-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ANDREAS_SWE

Trust me. If a support soldier is sitting around, hiding in a barrack, and I walk back and forth and jump in front of him, plus there is a clear cross over my head, he is to consider a poor support soldier if not healing me.

Yes... in that case he is a poor support player, in which case do the TK method I mentioned in my previous post.

oDaimono · 12-01-2009, 04:00 PM

There are noobs and idiots everywhere. If all people do is deny them access to classes and vehicles they will never get any better...

curb47 · 12-01-2009, 04:10 PM

I used to play Americas Army Online constantly... great game! In that, you had to pass various 'boot-camp' trials to get access to the different classes. It worked brilliantly. eg- if you wanted to get access to sniper class, you had to do a boot-camp training course and get over a certain amount of hits/points, within a certain time, on a shooting range. And to get access to Medic class, you actually had to take a class-room multiple choice exam, all about battle-wounds and casualty priority etc.
It's a really good way of making the players fully aware of their roles within the team, and meant that people who weren't good at certain things could either work to improve their skills, and try the tests/shooting-range when they're more confident, or decide to focus on other areas where their natural skills were more obvious. It was a great system.

Andreas of SWE · 12-01-2009, 04:11 PM

That boot camp theory is something me and my mates have been discussing. At least for more advanced in-game features, such as helicopters.

curb47 · 12-01-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ANDREAS_SWE

That boot camp theory is something me and my mates have been discussing. At least for more advanced in-game features, such as helicopters.

Yes... i completely agree. I know a lot of people don't like the idea, and argue that if you buy a game, then you should have access to ALL classes from the beginning, but in my opinion (and it is just my opinion) there would be a great sense of achievement for the gamers once they had improved their skills at a boot-camp level to unlock the varying classes that they could then take to the battlefield.

As it is, there is no sense of 'advancement' or 'progress'. For example, if i was playing and there was some guy who had unlocked a 'pilot' class, that I didn't have, and i saw him fly off into action i'd think "Good for you! Go get 'em!!!" and it would give me something to look forward to.
It would also add longevity to the game as people would want to eventually get access to all classes, and when you were on the battlefield with all classes unlocked it would actually have significance, and people would respect your abilities more.

Anyway... I think i make sense... not sure.

Andreas of SWE · 12-01-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by curb47

Yes... in that case he is a poor support player, in which case do the TK method I mentioned in my previous post.

Oh yes. That's my standard team kill.

OctagonQontrol · 12-01-2009, 04:46 PM

Funny thread; last week I was called "N00b" because I was playing Support and running around healing peeps all the time. Got between 40 to 90 points from healing alone and another 100 to 200 for killing and other objectives. And now I read that a lot of Support-players don't pay attention.

Anyhow, when you meet me online and see I'm playing Support, just walk up to me and get 2 free MedKits and a kiss on the cheek if you want to...

One request though: if your vehicle needs a repair, STOP DRIVING!!!

SpaceballsPlayer · 12-01-2009, 05:04 PM

problem is sometimes you get distracted and dont notice team mates who need medic packs, then you get the dumb supports who stand looking at you while you need it.

another problem is from armour point of view its not always easy to see when someones repairing in heat of battle, but again you then get the idiots who run you over when you try repair.

FeralDragon · 12-01-2009, 05:59 PM

Well the vehicles' driver can be a little more sensible. I played with one guy once on conquest, can't remember his name, but if his tank got damaged below 50HP or something, he'd retreat and hide and wait for a support to come and repair him. Think he got a KD of about 28/2.

Tanks are too valuable to abandon or lose in most cases. If it gets damaged, retreat. Nothing wrong with that.

urskunked · 12-01-2009, 07:33 PM

kids who play support and don't utilize their med kits should just go and kill themselves. seriously though, then that way they get the -25 points and saves me the loss of them.

nowadays, once i get their attention when i need health, i start a timer usually at 5secs before i TK them. if i'm in a real aggravated mood though, i'll skip getting their attention and just start the timer.

the point of a support player is mainly to give health. it's definitely not to kill seeing as they have the weakest guns in the game. if you can't grasp that concept, then it's time to look at a different class. imo, the support class is the strongest one in the game - if you can use properly.

ruthless_rs · 12-01-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ANDREAS_SWE

One thing that really annoys me is the lack of decent support soldiers - especially now when there are SO many new people playing the game. Some of you out there are class, really good, and can read the game play and you know where to be at and when.

But in general, getting a simple, little medi pack or having your tank fixed when needed, is a real struggle. Sometimes I've ended up standing in front of a support soldier - and all he does is look at me, or try to run past me, thinking I'm a weird nutter trying to harass him. It drives me mad. And many, many times, when being at an important stage of the map/game, I've ended up shooting him just to be able to take over his kit and "heal" myself. Been worth it every time.

This is another reason why I avoid playing this game on my own, without my usual squad, nowadays. The lack of decent ROLL PLAYERS is driving me insane.

As for the newbie part. Don't get me started on the issue of having 3-4 snipers sitting next to each other on a hill shooting at the same target (automatic sniper rifle, of course, so they can attract enemies as they miss their target, lovely), support soldiers sitting somewhere sniping, people queing for the artillery gun while the rest of us are trying to charge the crates, seriously lalalala players stealing the helicopter or tank from experienced, well-skilled pilots/drivers, or .... well, the list could go on.

Last night a guy in my team even drove the helicopter to the enemy base, landed, settled down, got out, scratched the sand of his pant and went in to charge the crate - before he got killed, of course. As for the helicopter...

(Sorry, it's monday.)

yeah i hate that to when im support and i see somebody needs help i help but when i need support i am standing on my own

Ronin0ni · 12-01-2009, 07:51 PM

Sorry, failing to give you a medpac is NOT grounds for a TK... If I see you do it, I will TK you... why? cause it just ain't cool

Yah, there are newbies, n00bs, and people who just don't play for the team, but that gives you no right at all to tell people how they should play.

Unless you are going to buy there game for them, then pay them to follow you around as your personal medic, you have no right to enforce a way of playing. Don't like it? just leave then.... trust me, you wont be missed

CaptKing5 · 12-01-2009, 08:06 PM

If you play the role of support, then BE support. that mean playing medic for your crew....you don't want to be medic take the assault class...if you play a Support like an assault then you deserve to be TKed....

i never intentionally TK, i find the practice rude, but i understand the reasoning...

Assault, you attack the enemy...
Recon, Provide Long range cover fire
Demolition, Anti-Armor and Crate Destruction...
Specialist, Crate destruction and Tagging
Support, Repair and Medic + Medium range Support fire....

Thats how i see it...

Ronin0ni · 12-01-2009, 08:19 PM

I will drop medpacs here and there, but I don't pick Support to play medic, I pick support to be just that, FIRE SUPPORT. Between 150 round belts (I use M60) and mortar strike I can keep the enemy pinned down for flankers to get a clear shot.

Also, sometimes I am trying to call a mortar strike on a few guys I saw, then some dumb *** gets in my way CANCELLING my mortar strike!!!

You can bet your sorry *** you will NEVER get a medpac from me if you do this.

Regardless, like I said, you didn't buy their game, you have no right to tell someone how to play. That's why I can't stand clans, some dumb dweeb living in his moms basement is not going to tell me what I should be doing, why anyone would want to sign up for that lalalalalalaed lalalala is beyond me, but its their own choice so whatever. Get in MY way, TK ME over some lala...

I will hunt you like you have never been hunted before. Don't believe me? Go ask the 3 stooges that tried to TK me for a chopper, I killed them each probably 20+ times each over the next 4 games. I keep a vendetta like no ones business.

SO, the NEXT time you are thinking of TKing some sniper out in the middle of nowhere ( you could have spawned at base moron) or the support that doesn't drop medpacs (maybe hes new lalala you ***holes) keep in mind he MIGHT be like me and might follow you like the ghosts of xmas and completely ruin your evening.

Anyways, personally I never go running to the lil yellow crosses on my mini-map when I am hurt.... I just keep hunting, everntually I will kill a support/assault player on the other team and I will take my health from their cold dead fingers... seems to work a lot better, plus I don't get annoyed with teammates

TreRosor · 12-01-2009, 08:22 PM

I spam medpaks like crazy. Easy points and you get squad mates who love playing with you.

Ronin0ni · 12-01-2009, 08:26 PM

I tend to spam them too, I usually gun from 2nd floor's of buildings, and like places... I will usually drop 5-6 medpacs before I start fighting since it's helpful to be able to step back from the window and grab a heal, plus if someone comes looking for health, I don't have to worry about them...

I am speaking up for the newbies out there who don't know all these "rules" to playing the game. GAME people, GAME. You won't always have people who know what they are about on your team, live with it.

I am getting sick of all the bad talk about these new players. We should be WELCOMING them, ENCOURAGING them to get better, show them tricks and tips, make them better. Maybe then they won't get disgusted with people who treat them like lalalala and this game will actually stay active!!

frankandbeans57 · 12-01-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The-LIONS-Share

hey shhhhhhhhhhhh abt the multiple snipers lol i shanked 5 of them the other day on 1 rooftop lalalalala and with the moronic support guys i usually just slash them once with my blade to let them know im there 4 a reason and if they dont react ill stand in there sights for a few mins so they cant shoot inless they shoot me lol that way i get what i need either way Full health

I had a guy do that to me the other day. I totally forgot that I was support. I was on a 50 cal. and he got in front of me. Then I was like oh thats right here ya go bud.

But I also agree with the fellow that said people take off running. I use support all the time, and I cant tell you the amount of times that I have had that happen. So if Im in a room where most people will just run from me, then I dont bother with it later on in the game, if you want health you come to me.

Symonator · 12-01-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Also, sometimes I am trying to call a mortar strike on a few guys I saw, then some dumb *** gets in my way CANCELLING my mortar strike!!!

Yes, very annoying.

moonymoony · 12-01-2009, 11:42 PM

I would have killed you if you TKed me for my support pack. : ) That's not really promoting them to stay active with the game...

People are so harsh against new players it sickens me. D : Just give them time and eventually they will get better at playing it, and understand what each classes' role is. I still do the mistake of motor striking myself because a stupid leaf was in my way. If I killed you, sorry, it's not like I intentionally wanted to see you dead. D<

If you want to relieve yourself of the "newbie infestation" in your games, get out and seriously join your squad instead, or take the time of your day to actually lead your team to victory. That's the only way they are going to learn, and if all level 25 players are going to leave them. They ain't going to learn squat. O____o;

... and seriously fxckin' amen to Ronin : ) : )

megajelte · 12-01-2009, 11:49 PM

i agree with ronini, everyone has bought this game for themself so they can play however the **** they want to play. Some people think they're special and you need to be their repair/medic *****. I'll give you health and i'll fix a chopper but im not your *****. like these chopper guys, they expect you to repair the chopper, i think repair your own damn chopper. then they get ****ed at me, well **** you!

12-01-2009, 02:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Andreas of SWE Elite Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: With two girls (19 & 20) in a 5-bedroom flat in the Stockholm inner city area, Sweden. Pay a visit? Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 8,034	Stupid support soldiers - and more. One thing that really annoys me is the lack of decent support soldiers - especially now when there are SO many new people playing the game. Some of you out there are class, really good, and can read the game play and you know where to be at and when. But in general, getting a simple, little medi pack or having your tank fixed when needed, is a real struggle. Sometimes I've ended up standing in front of a support soldier - and all he does is look at me, or try to run past me, thinking I'm a weird nutter trying to harass him. It drives me mad. And many, many times, when being at an important stage of the map/game, I've ended up shooting him just to be able to take over his kit and "heal" myself. Been worth it every time. This is another reason why I avoid playing this game on my own, without my usual squad, nowadays. The lack of decent ROLL PLAYERS is driving me insane. As for the newbie part. Don't get me started on the issue of having 3-4 snipers sitting next to each other on a hill shooting at the same target (automatic sniper rifle, of course, so they can attract enemies as they miss their target, lovely), support soldiers sitting somewhere sniping, people queing for the artillery gun while the rest of us are trying to charge the crates, seriously lalalala players stealing the helicopter or tank from experienced, well-skilled pilots/drivers, or .... well, the list could go on. Last night a guy in my team even drove the helicopter to the enemy base, landed, settled down, got out, scratched the sand of his pant and went in to charge the crate - before he got killed, of course. As for the helicopter... (Sorry, it's monday.)

12-01-2009, 03:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Symonator Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Gender: Male Posts: 1,600	i play support proably 9 game sout of ten and maybe switch to demo in between. I have even landed my heli to give people medic packs on occasions lol. the big issue is not always the support guys fault, i can't even count how many times i have dished out medi packs for the team , they just walk off, or there in a tank and yur reparing it from left or right side, and they just run over u, or ya trying to hide and a sniper comes up wanting medi pack whilst we have a tank and 10 enemys to kill right in front of our face. The players that need healing need to stop running off, tk with tanks , they also need to be aware of whats going on, its not always support guys problems.. __________________ About Me: SCEE Closed Beta Tester \| HD Video Guru

12-01-2009, 04:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
oDaimono Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 11	There are noobs and idiots everywhere. If all people do is deny them access to classes and vehicles they will never get any better... __________________ PSN ID: xx_Caerus_xx Live Gamertag: oo Daimon oo (Retired)

12-01-2009, 05:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
SpaceballsPlayer Forum Guru Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 1,912	problem is sometimes you get distracted and dont notice team mates who need medic packs, then you get the dumb supports who stand looking at you while you need it. another problem is from armour point of view its not always easy to see when someones repairing in heat of battle, but again you then get the idiots who run you over when you try repair. __________________ Vet 6

12-01-2009, 05:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
FeralDragon Rookie Join Date: Dec 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 198	Well the vehicles' driver can be a little more sensible. I played with one guy once on conquest, can't remember his name, but if his tank got damaged below 50HP or something, he'd retreat and hide and wait for a support to come and repair him. Think he got a KD of about 28/2. Tanks are too valuable to abandon or lose in most cases. If it gets damaged, retreat. Nothing wrong with that. __________________ You think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door. #1 with the AEK971. Just like everyone else.

12-01-2009, 03:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
curb47 Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 805	I have exactly the same experiences as djsy2008/Symonator... I usually play as Support (and switch to Demolition when necessary) and think I'm pretty good at it, in the sense that I really enjoy looking after my team and go out of my way to heal people and repair vehicles (without stealing them!)...but I can't count the amount of times i've seen a nearly-dead player and rushed to heal him/her only to have them run away as I'm right next to them. It's as if they don't realise there are people there to help them... I end up chasing them for a bit until I just figure that they're too stupid and not worth healing... ie, they deserve to die. I thoroughly recommend a tactic I picked up on this forum... If you find yourself standing in front of a support guy, trying to get them to drop a medic-pack without any success... just TK them, swap your kit over, give yourself a medic-pack, then swap back to your original kit. You'll obviously get -10 points for a TK... but, hey... they got to learn the hard way right?

12-01-2009, 04:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
curb47 Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 805	I used to play Americas Army Online constantly... great game! In that, you had to pass various 'boot-camp' trials to get access to the different classes. It worked brilliantly. eg- if you wanted to get access to sniper class, you had to do a boot-camp training course and get over a certain amount of hits/points, within a certain time, on a shooting range. And to get access to Medic class, you actually had to take a class-room multiple choice exam, all about battle-wounds and casualty priority etc. It's a really good way of making the players fully aware of their roles within the team, and meant that people who weren't good at certain things could either work to improve their skills, and try the tests/shooting-range when they're more confident, or decide to focus on other areas where their natural skills were more obvious. It was a great system.

12-01-2009, 04:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Andreas of SWE Elite Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: With two girls (19 & 20) in a 5-bedroom flat in the Stockholm inner city area, Sweden. Pay a visit? Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 8,034	That boot camp theory is something me and my mates have been discussing. At least for more advanced in-game features, such as helicopters.

12-01-2009, 04:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
OctagonQontrol Hi, I'm New! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1	Funny thread; last week I was called "N00b" because I was playing Support and running around healing peeps all the time. Got between 40 to 90 points from healing alone and another 100 to 200 for killing and other objectives. And now I read that a lot of Support-players don't pay attention. Anyhow, when you meet me online and see I'm playing Support, just walk up to me and get 2 free MedKits and a kiss on the cheek if you want to... One request though: if your vehicle needs a repair, STOP DRIVING!!!

12-01-2009, 07:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
urskunked Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Gender: Male Posts: 697	kids who play support and don't utilize their med kits should just go and kill themselves. seriously though, then that way they get the -25 points and saves me the loss of them. nowadays, once i get their attention when i need health, i start a timer usually at 5secs before i TK them. if i'm in a real aggravated mood though, i'll skip getting their attention and just start the timer. the point of a support player is mainly to give health. it's definitely not to kill seeing as they have the weakest guns in the game. if you can't grasp that concept, then it's time to look at a different class. imo, the support class is the strongest one in the game - if you can use properly.

12-01-2009, 08:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
CaptKing5 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 42	If you play the role of support, then BE support. that mean playing medic for your crew....you don't want to be medic take the assault class...if you play a Support like an assault then you deserve to be TKed.... i never intentionally TK, i find the practice rude, but i understand the reasoning... Assault, you attack the enemy... Recon, Provide Long range cover fire Demolition, Anti-Armor and Crate Destruction... Specialist, Crate destruction and Tagging Support, Repair and Medic + Medium range Support fire.... Thats how i see it...

12-01-2009, 08:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
TreRosor Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 713	I spam medpaks like crazy. Easy points and you get squad mates who love playing with you.

12-01-2009, 11:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
moonymoony Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 916 Blog Entries: 12	I would have killed you if you TKed me for my support pack. : ) That's not really promoting them to stay active with the game... People are so harsh against new players it sickens me. D : Just give them time and eventually they will get better at playing it, and understand what each classes' role is. I still do the mistake of motor striking myself because a stupid leaf was in my way. If I killed you, sorry, it's not like I intentionally wanted to see you dead. D< If you want to relieve yourself of the "newbie infestation" in your games, get out and seriously join your squad instead, or take the time of your day to actually lead your team to victory. That's the only way they are going to learn, and if all level 25 players are going to leave them. They ain't going to learn squat. O____o; ... and seriously fxckin' amen to Ronin : ) : )

12-01-2009, 11:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
megajelte Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 302	i agree with ronini, everyone has bought this game for themself so they can play however the ** they want to play. Some people think they're special and you need to be their repair/medic *. I'll give you health and i'll fix a chopper but im not your *. like these chopper guys, they expect you to repair the chopper, i think repair your own damn chopper. then they get ed at me, well ** you! Last edited by megajelte; 12-01-2009 at 11:59 PM..