Stupid support soldiers - and more.

[Ronin0ni]

Anyone who expects support players to run around LOOKING for hurt people is a moron... at BEST you can hope they drop a medpack when you come to them, but with limited comms and newbie players, its not always a guarantee. LIVE WITH IT.

If I see you TK a support guy, not even me, or a friend, some random dude, I will hunt you down OVER, and OVER, and OVER again. Why? Cause its just a game and I have more fun relentlessly pursuing TK'ers ACROSS SERVERS. Hey, I have over 16 days playtime, I need to mix it up.

so please, PLEASE TK someone in front of me. I could use the distraction

[urskunked]

God help me. it's like playing with noobs in battlefield, only instead it's dealing with simpletons in real life. you're missing the point, but don't worry i'll try to fingerpaint something for you to understand.

if your support, be support. i don't want to be support. why? because it has the weakest guns in the game. you can't be good at rushing with support unless your good. any of you fit that describition?

let me break it down again, only more simply:

you are support
i need health
you have health
you are not good with killing people, weak guns
i am something other than support, i can kill people
limited number of reinforcements
give me health
no health? be something other than support so you can be more useful
still no health? expect to be TKed because obviously you are not good, and i am better

i'm not putting myself in more importance than you, i'm putting the TEAM in more importance than you. i know it's hard, but think about it. let me name the underying reasoning here:

if you are support and you do not give health, you are not good.

really, all you are is a liability to the TEAM. literally, your kit on the ground is more important than you playing on the field. and did i say you should have to "run after the blue cross above his head?" i'll just let you all re-read what i wrote instead of boring you again with it.

this is a TEAM based game. you don't like playing with a team to achieve an objective? go back to playing halo 3 rumble pit in the social rooms with the rest of the noobs.

and your right. not all noobs are kids. there grown adults like yourself apparently. look you see, i did think about it.

and apparently we have a saint in the room. a real life bat man in battlefield who TK's people who TK. like i said before, you're a real team player.

[72ndnyvi]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Anyone who expects support players to run around LOOKING for hurt people is a moron... at BEST you can hope they drop a medpack when you come to them, but with limited comms and newbie players, its not always a guarantee. LIVE WITH IT.

If I see you TK a support guy, not even me, or a friend, some random dude, I will hunt you down OVER, and OVER, and OVER again. Why? Cause its just a game and I have more fun relentlessly pursuing TK'ers ACROSS SERVERS. Hey, I have over 16 days playtime, I need to mix it up.

so please, PLEASE TK someone in front of me. I could use the distraction

Same hear. I try to heal guys and all they do is run off.

[72ndnyvi]

Originally Posted by urskunked

God help me. it's like playing with noobs in battlefield, only instead it's dealing with simpletons in real life. you're missing the point, but don't worry i'll try to fingerpaint something for you to understand.

if your support, be support. i don't want to be support. why? because it has the weakest guns in the game. you can't be good at rushing with support unless your good. any of you fit that describition?

let me break it down again, only more simply:

you are support
i need health
you have health
you are not good with killing people, weak guns
i am something other than support, i can kill people
limited number of reinforcements
give me health
no health? be something other than support so you can be more useful
still no health? expect to be TKed because obviously you are not good, and i am better

i'm not putting myself in more importance than you, i'm putting the TEAM in more importance than you. i know it's hard, but think about it. let me name the underying reasoning here:

if you are support and you do not give health, you are not good.

really, all you are is a liability to the TEAM. literally, your kit on the ground is more important than you playing on the field. and did i say you should have to "run after the blue cross above his head?" i'll just let you all re-read what i wrote instead of boring you again with it.

this is a TEAM based game. you don't like playing with a team to achieve an objective? go back to playing halo 3 rumble pit in the social rooms with the rest of the noobs.

and your right. not all noobs are kids. there grown adults like yourself apparently. look you see, i did think about it.

and apparently we have a saint in the room. a real life bat man in battlefield who TK's people who TK. like i said before, you're a real team player.

WHY does the Support guy always get the bad rap????
Every one sure likes the Med pack when the Sh%@ hits the fan.



I disagree with "why? because it has the weakest guns in the game."
The kit has good guns, use the HK G36 or HK XM8. I have gotten lots of kills with both. The only thing is the Support guy is a little slow at running with the big pack on his back.

[Ronin0ni]

I am not talking about myself, I drop medipacks all around everywhere I go.

I am saying that just because someone doesn't realize their "role" is STILL no excuse to TK them. There will ALWAYS be newbies on the Battlefield, learn to work with them. We aren't bloody Russia in WW2 mowing down our own soldiers who try to fall back lalala.

[TreRosor]

Support weapon are excellent to kill with if used as intended. They are not run and gun weapons but use them for distances between about 30-100 meters and you will easily kill demos and specialists and often assaults and snipers. Like with sniper it's a kit where u can find great spots and sit down just waiting to shoot down running enemies (just like they are used in reality, by the way). If you drop a medpak in spots like that, survival rate is even better since as soon as you get hit the medpak will start healing you. Not having to reload is also a great combat benefit.

[drglock40]

Support not dropping a health pack is half as agrivating as having 8 snipers on your team and you keep getting sniped. They should be our counter snipers for assault and others arming. As far as TK, thats fkd up. I want to kill the d-bag sniper 8 miles from the action but I dont. All that effort and you probably wont ever even see that dude again. Seems like we are blaming support for not "sharing" their kit. If you want life-2 be assault or support. The kits have effed up choices to choose from and we're expecting someone to make our demo or specialist kit perfect. I love specialist so I have something for all of the vehicle *****z. Then Im always running around half dead. Sux, so I choose assault if needed. If a team member breaks you off life then I feel lucky. If not then fk it. Theres two life kits. Pick one and quit TK cuz some dude aint babysitting his other guys. Hes proly more concentrated on not getting smoked from his pos gun he has. If he does heal you than its a bonus hes a vet.

[frankandbeans57]

Originally Posted by urskunked

God help me. it's like playing with noobs in battlefield, only instead it's dealing with simpletons in real life. you're missing the point, but don't worry i'll try to fingerpaint something for you to understand.

if your support, be support. i don't want to be support. why? because it has the weakest guns in the game. you can't be good at rushing with support unless your good. any of you fit that describition?

let me break it down again, only more simply:

you are support
i need health
you have health
you are not good with killing people, weak guns
i am something other than support, i can kill people
limited number of reinforcements
give me health
no health? be something other than support so you can be more useful
still no health? expect to be TKed because obviously you are not good, and i am better

i'm not putting myself in more importance than you, i'm putting the TEAM in more importance than you. i know it's hard, but think about it. let me name the underying reasoning here:

if you are support and you do not give health, you are not good.

really, all you are is a liability to the TEAM. literally, your kit on the ground is more important than you playing on the field. and did i say you should have to "run after the blue cross above his head?" i'll just let you all re-read what i wrote instead of boring you again with it.

this is a TEAM based game. you don't like playing with a team to achieve an objective? go back to playing halo 3 rumble pit in the social rooms with the rest of the noobs.

and your right. not all noobs are kids. there grown adults like yourself apparently. look you see, i did think about it.

and apparently we have a saint in the room. a real life bat man in battlefield who TK's people who TK. like i said before, you're a real team player.

and if your not right next to me, you wont get health. You will die.

[72ndnyvi]

Originally Posted by frankandbeans57

and if your not right next to me, you wont get health. You will die.

You have to heal your guys every chance you get. But I will not run after a guy to heal him. I had a sniper yesterday that needed health, I was in a tank on the 50cal. I got out of the tank and healed the guy. Playing Medic is fine with me, if know know else wants to do it. Plus you get points for healing.

[Ronin0ni]

You don't HAVE to do anything

Yes, it is VERY much appreciated when someone plays medic, but so is it when Recon throw sensors, Specs tag vehicles, Demo lay down their landmines, and Assault destroy enemy cover.

80%+ of the players do NOT do these things, but you aren't going to TK your sniper just to toss out a motion sensor are you? or nix the spec so you can tag the enemy vehicles, or frag the demo so you can lay down his mines? I certainly hope not.

People are LEARNING to play the game, or they are simply casual gamers that don't know all the "rules" to online gaming.

YOU are not helping the team by TKing them, WHATEVER you think. There is no valid justification for it.

If you think someone is playing poorly on your team, then TELL them so, NICELY.

"Hey bro, not sure if you know but if someone dances around in front of you they probably want a med-pack and you can snag an easy 10-15 points for it"

or "Hey bro, you know that lil ball on you LB twice? It shows us where the enemy are, toss em out so we can kill these *******s"


I GUARANTEE you will get a better response than TKing them which will only result in a TK war until your team loses

EDIT: 72nd, that last part wasn't to you, I only responded the first line to you... It is cool that you will play medic, I am just saying it shouldn't be expected of anybody is all

[Boooger]

I fully agree with everything roninoni has to say on this subject.
I play support full time and I heal and also rush close quarters and win against demos and specialists.
If anyone doubts the power of a support gun I have a little tip for you.
HEADSHOTS.
Aim for the head and you will beat a specialist 8 out of 10 times.
If you aim for the body then dont even bother shooting.
Just throw him a health pack and let him kill you.

[Ronin0ni]

lalalala, maybe the health kit will hit him in the head and kill him lol

if I may ask, what support guns do u prefer, and I presume Iron sights all the way, or sometimes hip fire?

[drglock40]

Originally Posted by Boooger

If you aim for the body then dont even bother shooting.
Just throw him a health pack and let him kill you.

lol. nice. which brings up a lame question. hope I dont get flamed for this but I was dumping health packs all over our crates and buildings where we were getting drilled, but wondered if I was making it worse by healing enemies that ran in. I assume my health packs dont heal them,, but do they?

[Boooger]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

lalalala, maybe the health kit will hit him in the head and kill him lol

if I may ask, what support guns do u prefer, and I presume Iron sights all the way, or sometimes hip fire?

haha maybe the medpac has sharp corners?
I strictly use the m60 after getting used to the iron sights.
I always use iron sights at range and crouch as much as possible.
I am proof not to belief all the tips given for the support gun.
I always shoot full auto and never fire in bursts.
I outsnipe snipers on full auto constantly so I dont believe in burst firing.
I win close quarter battles against demos and specialist alot.
If i run into anyone in close quarters I will hip fire but if the dot in on his head I will transition into iron sights if he isnt dead yet and if he isnt moving alot.
You can still get mad headshots with hip firing in close if you make the effort so its barely a disadavantage.
To be a deadly support player its all about headshots.
If you compare all the support weapons with range and damage I cant see using any other gun if you can deal with the iron sights.

[Ronin0ni]

they do.. though I have heard if it heals 10 points, they blip on your radar... I can't confirm that though, just hearsay.

Around the gold crates is a bad spot, but ammo crates are prime healing spots...

[Ronin0ni]

cool, I have been having issues support gunning, trying to improve

I think my problem is sighting in at too close of a range

[Boooger]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

cool, I have been having issues support gunning, trying to improve

I think my problem is sighting in at too close of a range

Yep I can honestly say the evolution for me was making the extra effort to go for the headshot.
Its the ultimate leveller when it comes to kit vs kit.
The difference is night and day and suggest to improve all you need to do is make that extra effort to aim for the head.
Iron sighting in close quarters will kill you when he moves side to side.
Its too slow to keep up unless you anticipate it.
If hes in a hallway or his side to side movement is limited then iron sights just speed up his journey to the respawnville.
Its also because of the m60.
Slow fire rate but the power makes up for it if those shots are hitting him in the head.
Also shooting before you turn the corner is a big advantage. Get the gat humming before you round the corner and it overwhelms most of the time.

[dragonist3]

Originally Posted by djsy2008

i play support proably 9 game sout of ten and maybe switch to demo in between.

I have even landed my heli to give people medic packs on occasions lol.

the big issue is not always the support guys fault, i can't even count how many times i have dished out medi packs for the team , they just walk off, or there in a tank and yur reparing it from left or right side, and they just run over u, or ya trying to hide and a sniper comes up wanting medi pack whilst we have a tank and 10 enemys to kill right in front of our face.

The players that need healing need to stop running off, tk with tanks , they also need to be aware of whats going on, its not always support guys problems..

Dude, that happens all the time to me!

[Ronin0ni]

oh, I missed dj's comment, but spot on bro

[urskunked]

your right. you don't HAVE to give health. but i will TK you and take it for myself, because, like i said, your useless and i'm trying to be useful. your playing for yourself, and i'm playing for the TEAM. get it? something greater than yourself.

landmines don't necessarily destroy tanks. tanks can flank from anywhere,
landmines have a set number.

tagging is almost useless. i don't need a slowly turning rocket to hit a tank. as a matter of fact, i usually don't even need to aim anymore.

and who said i don't kill snipers for their motion sensors? this thread's about support, so i tried leaving sniper's out of it. really, i don't do that. the sniper kit is the weakest in the game though, and the only thing it is really useful for is the motion sensors. and believe me, i haven't TKed a sniper for their 10sec motion sensors, but i do ***** at them if they don't use them.

i'm talking about being a support and keeping useful health to yourself. your right, alot of people are learning to use the game and they just don't know. what better way of getting your point across then by TKing them? i'm not teaching life lessons here either guy, so why would i teach a basic rule (keep in mind BASIC rule), never mind any form of strategy, to a person who will be my enemy next round? thats just stupid.

most of the time they're generals anyway. thats the worst, a level 45 general whos support who doesn't give health. he just needs to pick up more hours at work because he's just wasting life playing this game, not to mention aggravating the rest of us.

you want to play preacher guy, go right ahead. i'm going to play the game and lead my team to victory. while your teaching some kid how to toss out a med pack, i'll be taking the gold crates.

you want hear a true story? just got done playing 2 rounds of over and out. we were attacking first. i went 38 and 3 in that round, with 738. we didn't make it past the second base but thats something i don't want to talk about. didn't know anyone on my squad, and no one else broke 150, on either team. one of those times i died, was because a guy on my squad who had a mic (then all of a sudden didn't?) and was support didn't toss out health when i asked him to, when i was right next to him. next time, i won't wait that long to just take it.

[xx_I_PITTY_U_xx]

i was so supprised 2day... i shot a teamate 1 or 2 times.. then shot the humvee.. and straight away he ran and fixed it and then threw some health around it for me... this guy was orange form... no skill rank yet.. he hadnt even played 24 hours yet and he was much better than 70% of support players out there.

[doublesit]

first of all i hate tk!!!!!
second: there is just one god - so don´t behave as if u are one!

i guess everyone who owns this games buyed it (or got it for xmas, whatever) to play it, to enjoy it and to get better at it!

i agree that most supporters are not aware u need their help, but maybe they are focused at defending their crates, are close to get shot by a sniper and have to hide before being able to help others, just chasing another "idiot" who needs help ...

many reasons around why someone doesn't help right u!

think of it!

[Ronin0ni]

took a couple weeks for me to notice the flashing crosses actually

[Husker777]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

took a couple weeks for me to notice the flashing crosses actually

I've logged many hours as Support, handing out medipacs, fixing stuff etc and it still took me a minute to realise why a Specialist was jumping around in front of me on EOTL last night.

[Sunbear]

Originally Posted by Husker777

I've logged many hours as Support, handing out medipacs, fixing stuff etc and it still took me a minute to realise why a Specialist was jumping around in front of me on EOTL last night.

i heal anyone i see on my mini-map with that little flashy thing. Ill even chase you down just to get +10 or +15 =]. I also repair any vehicles i see that belong to my team....sometimes i sneak near a enemy tank and drill it to death, It rarely works but i get it luckily sometimes ='].