Stupid support soldiers - and more.

[PyroclasticJoe]

People keep forgetting that this is a team based game. It is pretty important to remember as an attacker that you get a limited amount of tickets. Each time a support guy doesn't heal you and you die, that's one less ticket. TK'ing them is the same net result. The winner with selfish twits on your team, is the enemy...

I love support guys that heal me, repair my tank or helicopter. I have though also reached my limit though with guys who don't give out med packs. As long as they are not busy engaging anyone, I jump in front of them three times, no pack = knife or smg. I then msg them and tell them they need to dispense med packs, usually works.

[urskunked]

when i first got this game i remember unintentionally TKing alot of people. took me a little while to realize how to differentiate friend from foe. however, everything i learned i learned from experiance, not from mister nice guy generals who took their time and showed me the ropes.

the issue with the "noob infestation" is the fact that all of a sudden alot of kids got this game (called Christmas). and now number just as many, if not more, of the seasoned players. it will take a very long time for these kids to become good because theres just so many inexperianced players now, they have nothing to learn from other than more inexperianced people.

which is why dice really needs to make a place where experianced people can play against other experianced people. either a dedicated server, or even exploit the skill ratings system (which is a sucky system but thats another story).

i got this game right around when it came out, i didn't hop on the bandwagon and ask mommy to get it for me for Christmas. by the time these kids are experianced, it will be another 6months. thats to long for me to be the only single digit person in a round, that has other generals in it to keep in mind.

i hate kids who use the support kit because it's "cool" and who always kill me minimal 2 times a round with the motor strike because they don't grasp how to do anything else. if i need health, i will kill you because (call me conceited, but it is what it is) 99% of the time i'm better than you, and my life is just more important than yours in the game. you don't like it? tough luck, use a different class, or better yet, use your kit how it's soppose to be used.

want to TK me back? go right ahead. i probably got a crate because i took your health and now your wasting reinforcements. you're a real team player.

[BioSoldier]

i usually just jump up and down in their face. most are smart enough to give me health packs. those that don't i knife them ONCE if there is no other support in my radar. this lowers their health so they throw a med pack which i take. easiest way if you ask me.

[king_nothing6]

im support 90% of the time and i give health out as much as i can

i also repair tanks alot but i am getting sick of being run over by tank drivers when im trying to repair them

[curb47]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Sorry, failing to give you a medpac is NOT grounds for a TK... If I see you do it, I will TK you... why? cause it just ain't cool...

...you have no right to enforce a way of playing. Don't like it? just leave then.... trust me, you wont be missed

Well, it also "just ain't cool..." to leave your team mates stranded with low health just because you don't know how to utilize your kit properly. If you choose the support class for it's mortar/machine gun, then good for you, but are you seriously implying that if one of your wounded team-mates came and danced about in front of you, you wouldn't give a medic-pack because you didn't choose support to be a medic? That's a bit of a lame perspective to have. What does is take to chuck a med pack out? Mmm... a couple of pushes of buttons... taking, what, 2 seconds?

I stand by the belief that it's better to TK for a medic-pack, and in theory, it works for the greater good of the team. Here's why: if I'm wounded and I need health, I go find a support guy... If that guy doesn't know that with a couple of flicks on his joy-pad he can heal me, then chances are he's not a very experienced player, in which case, as I am an experienced player it's better for the team that I live... And he gets a TK to make me live. Simple.

One thing that seems to be misintpreted on this thread is 'TK intention'. Personally, I HATE TK's, I loath people that do it for fun, I loath people that do it for arty, vehicles etc, but in the case of acquiring a medic-pack it comes down to simple necessity, not greed, not aggression, not grieving.

In theory part of the blame could be placed upon Dice for not implementing a rose-wheel comms system on the D-pad. It would have been SO easy to have a button that makes it clear that you're asking for health... but with no effective way of communicating your needs, we resort to alternative methods. Just a harsh fact.

TKing for medic-packs is NOT malicious. I don't like doing it, but I will do it to prolong my survival and help the team win... thus contributing to ALL team-members' win/loss ratio.

I remember when I first started playing BfBc and the same thing would happen to me... I'd play support, doing my thing, calling mortar strikes, shooting enemies, then some guy would come and do the medic-pack-dance in front of me... I'd think 'what the heck does this dude want???' and try to get away, thinking he was harrasing me, then I'd be TK'd... It took a while for me to realize what the medic-pack-dance meant... But I learned... the hard way. And I'm still here, loving it more than ever.

And no, I don't expect I will be missed if I quit playing BfBc... Not a problem.

[curb47]

Btw... I wrote that post on my phone, and it took AGES... one-finger typing... tiny buttons... Grrrr!!!

[Andreas of SWE]

Originally Posted by urskunked

when i first got this game i remember unintentionally TKing alot of people. took me a little while to realize how to differentiate friend from foe. however, everything i learned i learned from experiance, not from mister nice guy generals who took their time and showed me the ropes.

the issue with the "noob infestation" is the fact that all of a sudden alot of kids got this game (called Christmas). and now number just as many, if not more, of the seasoned players. it will take a very long time for these kids to become good because theres just so many inexperianced players now, they have nothing to learn from other than more inexperianced people.

which is why dice really needs to make a place where experianced people can play against other experianced people. either a dedicated server, or even exploit the skill ratings system (which is a sucky system but thats another story).

i got this game right around when it came out, i didn't hop on the bandwagon and ask mommy to get it for me for Christmas. by the time these kids are experianced, it will be another 6months. thats to long for me to be the only single digit person in a round, that has other generals in it to keep in mind.

i hate kids who use the support kit because it's "cool" and who always kill me minimal 2 times a round with the motor strike because they don't grasp how to do anything else. if i need health, i will kill you because (call me conceited, but it is what it is) 99% of the time i'm better than you, and my life is just more important than yours in the game. you don't like it? tough luck, use a different class, or better yet, use your kit how it's soppose to be used.

want to TK me back? go right ahead. i probably got a crate because i took your health and now your wasting reinforcements. you're a real team player.

Spot on.

[curb47]

@ANDREAS_SWE - are you xBox360 or PS3?

[Andreas of SWE]

Originally Posted by curb47

@ANDREAS_SWE - are you xBox360 or PS3?

360 all the way, baby.

[curb47]

Ah... i'm on ps3... was gonna suggest we team-up. pity.

[GOLDCRATE]

Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Sorry, failing to give you a medpac is NOT grounds for a TK... If I see you do it, I will TK you... why? cause it just ain't cool

Yah, there are newbies, n00bs, and people who just don't play for the team, but that gives you no right at all to tell people how they should play.

Unless you are going to buy there game for them, then pay them to follow you around as your personal medic, you have no right to enforce a way of playing. Don't like it? just leave then.... trust me, you wont be missed

I couldn't have said it better myself. TKing is really the stupidest reaction to anything in the game. In many ways, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you are injured, and die, who's fault is it really? Your teammates' for not giving you a medkit? Or was it the enemy who shot you, and YOU for not killing the enemy first? If you are so cool, you need to kill somebody for health, go kill some enemies and bring back their support kits.

Rather, if you need medic kits, tank repairs, etc. so often, then PLAY SUPPORT... but don't sit with one kit and gripe about people using the other kit.

[hayabusa666]

Yeah that's right always blame the newbie !! if your that good you shouldnt be getting shot, give the newbies a break, dont forget you were all newbies once, maybe some players dont know the ranks and so forth !!! as for TK would you do that on a real battlefield, ( i dont think so )
i often go in as support, and kind of do a good job BUT, you have to watch out for the guys sitting in wait, picking the support guys off, so in one way we do you a favour by getting killed just to save your skin

[Andreas of SWE]

LOL, you guys are funny. And so obvious in you responses. "If you're so good, then don't get shot", "If you are injured, and die, who's fault is it really?". Er, the main target in this tactical based and first person shooter oriented game is to shoot people, hence why I end up getting shot at now and then. The consequence of being shot is that your will body hurt, a pain that after every bullet will increase. The consequence of increased body damage is death. That's when you need help from one of the players playing as Support, a soldier class implented in the game by the developers themselves. Why? To give support to fellow soldiers, like assault soldiers who are meant to work in the front line - no matter how good or bad they are - and where they play their role as, what you call, "cannon food".

"as for TK would you do that on a real battlefield, ( i dont think so )"

Sure. But if I went to Iraq or whatever as a nurse or support soldier, I'd get fired if not doing my job, which includes spreading medi packs to other people than yourself.

[oDaimono]

"I can behave like a complete ****, because I believe I am better at this game then you...."

We're playing a game. You winning the game at the expense of your team mate does not stop you from being occupied. It does not stop you from being put in a work camp. It does not mean you and you're family will not be shot. All it does is ruin your mate's game. And then you start a new game where you and your "team" can do the whole thing all over again.

Is it too much too ask to send a message before knifing a person?(don't know about ps3 as I don't have one) I'm sure that if you were in Iraq you would CLEARLY be told what was expected of you. And firing you would be a last resort. And no, jumping up and down and stalking someone is not clear communication. We don't live in caves anymore.

[Andreas of SWE]

Originally Posted by oDaimono

"I can behave like a complete ****, because I believe I am better at this game then you...."

We're playing a game. You winning the game at the expense of your team mate does not stop you from being occupied. It does not stop you from being put in a work camp. It does not mean you and you're family will not be shot. All it does is ruin your mate's game. And then you start a new game where you and your "team" can do the whole thing all over again.

Is it too much too ask to send a message before knifing a person?(don't know about ps3 as I don't have one) I'm sure that if you were in Iraq you would CLEARLY be told what was expected of you. And firing you would be a last resort. And no, jumping up and down and stalking someone is not clear communication. We don't live in caves anymore.

I'm sure you're pretty cool and all that. but your reply makes no sense. I got the part that we're playing a game, though.

[o-_FidoFido_-o]

Hahaha, the thread got flipped around REAL fast from anti-noob to pro-noob. It sounds more like a Save the Whales campaign now.

I will admit to harassing support guys if they don't heal me when I'm jumping up in front of them with enough life lost that they'd gain XP by healing me. ESPECIALLY if they just stare at me with their gun out. They just deserve it. New to the game or not. I don't care. It's been a while since Christmas anyway.

[oDaimono]

I'm sure you're pretty cool and all that. but your reply makes no sense. I got the part that we're playing a game, though.

You get that most people are saying they will TK players because they are better then those players, and more usefull to the team?

You get that if you were in Iraq or whatever you would first be told what you are supposed to do before they would fire you?
You get that it's much more friendly to send someone a message saying: Next time, could you give me med kits and/or repairs when I need them? then TKing them?

Hahaha, the thread got flipped around REAL fast from anti-noob to pro-noob. It sounds more like a Save the Whales campaign now.

I will admit to harassing support guys if they don't heal me when I'm jumping up in front of them with enough life lost that they'd gain XP by healing me. ESPECIALLY if they just stare at me with their gun out. They just deserve it. New to the game or not. I don't care. It's been a while since Christmas anyway.

It's more about people acting like lalalalalalalalas then saving the noobs to me.

I agree classes have roles in a team, and a support player should, atleast try to, heal and repair. But that doesn't mean I need to TK them for not doing it. Just move on to a different one. Play one yourself if there aren't any good ones, or send them a message that those pieces of kit have a purpose other then looks. That would be far more useful to the team and far less rude.

[Andreas of SWE]

Originally Posted by oDaimono

I agree classes have roles in a team, and a support player should, atleast try to, heal and repair. But that doesn't mean I need to TK them for not doing it. Just move on to a different one. Play one yourself if there aren't any good ones, or send them a message that those pieces of kit have a purpose other then looks. That would be far more useful to the team and far less rude.

Trust me. I ALWAYS send a voice message whenever I injury a support soldier to grab his attention. Most often I get a message back saying "Yeah, you ****, Im gonna make sure YOU wont get any medi pack, ha ha ha ha ha ha" and yeah, that's about it. Sometimes, though, people say "Sorry" and understand.

I mean... move on to a different support soldier, in the middle of a war on the battlefield? Hey, it's not a walk in park trying to survive on, for example, the first base on Deconstruction. It's now or never. Just get it - a lot of players pick support class because of the "cool" air strike. And that ****es me, and many, many others, off big time.

I don't TK them because I'm better. I TK them because if the ungoing war wont catch their attention, then what will? Wake up, lalala! LOL.

[hayabusa666]

Originally Posted by oDaimono

You get that most people are saying they will TK players because they are better then those players, and more usefull to the team?

You get that if you were in Iraq or whatever you would first be told what you are supposed to do before they would fire you?
You get that it's much more friendly to send someone a message saying: Next time, could you give me med kits and/or repairs when I need them? then TKing them?

It's more about people acting like lalalalalalalalas then saving the noobs to me.

I agree classes have roles in a team, and a support player should, atleast try to, heal and repair. But that doesn't mean I need to TK them for not doing it. Just move on to a different one. Play one yourself if there aren't any good ones, or send them a message that those pieces of kit have a purpose other then looks. That would be far more useful to the team and far less rude.

OK OK is that all the b****ing out of the way !! instead of taring all support team players with the same brush, just name and shame them giving the reason and why your upset about him or her,A NEW THREAD MIGHT BE IN ORDER FOR THIS, NOW that should wake them up, as for the people with experience b****ing is no way setting a good example, if you have a mic, correct them in the right manner, LETS ALL JUST GET ALONG, i know its fustrating

[urskunked]

the way i figure it is pretty simple. not all noobs play support. however, 95% of all the people who play support don't assit the team that much. with that said, a support solider will prob take out at least two of his own team with a motor strike before his killed. the fact of the matter is that when someone needs health, its pretty obvious to the support solider either by a cross above that person's head, or the antics involved in getting their attention. from that point, if the support guy doesn't give health, it means that either:

1. he's a noob and won't be that much of a loss to the team if you TK him.
2. he's an idiot/as*hole and deserves to get TKed.

there you go, all broken down in a simple manner. if a support guy isn't going to give you health, then he's baisically useless. they have the weakest guns in the game. they team kill more than anyone else. the only thing these guys are good for is to keep the rest of the team alive aka save tickets.

and don't get me started with the motor strike. why would you put one anywhere near a place that has both red and blue dots? is it for points? thats pretty lame because you'll end up losing more than gaining. and on top of that, waste tickets. not only that, but waste tickets from kids who are actually playing the game and not sitting back looking at the pretty fireworks. the motor strike is not the only thing you can do, so try doing something else... like give health.

you want to hear an outcry? you'll see me posting pretty soon about TKing anyone who drops a motor strike on me. it's getting pretty old and only more aggravating.

[frankandbeans57]

All im going to say is this. I use my support kit as an offensive weapon. I attack the crates with it. I am no different than the assult kits philosophy. If Im running and your next to me I will throw a kit down. Half of the time they dont get taken but oh well, but if you think I am going to run half way across the map just to give you a kit, then your mad crazy. Go ahead and team kill me if you wish, will make for a nice game, we both will be in the negitives before its said and done with.

[urskunked]

i don't think we mean that we expect you to run around the map giving out health (at least i don't), even though that would be nice (if going a little over the top). but we do expect you to stop motor striking (it's only gonna result in a team kill anyway) and switch to a med kit if were in front of you and it's obvious.

[frankandbeans57]

Originally Posted by urskunked

i don't think we mean that we expect you to run around the map giving out health (at least i don't), even though that would be nice (if going a little over the top). but we do expect you to stop motor striking (it's only gonna result in a team kill anyway) and switch to a med kit if were in front of you and it's obvious.

Im not saying just you guys, I have had problems with this for a while. I get my share of messages. Most of them expecting what I mentioned above. About the morter striking, I have had team kills from doing it, 95% of the time it is my tactic to morter and then rush in, without a full team comm. They always run in after I called. Im sitting back yelling and hollaring, I get the -10 but then I get the +30 for the crate. Its a fair trade off. Sad but true.

You also have to take into account the amount of snipers. Half of the teams are always snipers, and the vast majority of the "christmas" owners are starting to get pretty good at it. So guys like me wont run into the open field to heal a guy, just to take a beating ourselves.

[Ronin0ni]

Trust me. I ALWAYS send a voice message whenever I injury a support soldier to grab his attention. Most often I get a message back saying "Yeah, you ****, Im gonna make sure YOU wont get any medi pack, ha ha ha ha ha ha" and yeah, that's about it. Sometimes, though, people say "Sorry" and understand.

If you just sent a message, instead of knifing, then you would never get that first reply I'd wager

And no, I will NOT stop my mortar strike because I am NOT going to TK with it, I am hitting enemies cause I DO know what I am doing.

I will forgive someone interupting my mortar the first time. Do it a second time and u won't get a medipac.

[hayabusa666]

[quote=urskunked;6523539]i don't think we mean that we expect you to run around the map giving out health (at least i don't), even though that would be nice (if going a little over the top). but we do expect you to stop motor striking (it's only gonna result in a team kill anyway) and switch to a med kit if were in front of you and it's obvious.[/quo

if your so concerned about support YOU DO IT THEN, practice what you preach lets see you getting peppered trying to run after the blue cross above his head JESUS MOAN MOAN MOAN, and not all newbies are kids, think about that one. OH and one more thing, its just a game, and if you dont get support, try i server that caters to your every need.