200KB Clan Support Feature!

[SpaceballsPlayer]

why dont you get a job with dice and add it.

[curb47]

Originally Posted by SpaceballsPlayer

...do you even own the game igrey...

Ummm... i seem to remember that you don't own the game any more... you traded it in... the word 'hypocrite' springs to mind.

(this is a harmless poke at you, not an attempt to start a flame war... all good.)

[SpaceballsPlayer]

wrong guy curb mate, i didnt trade it, i was playing other night in fact,had it since release, been playing other things as well but been having some good games with some new friends last couple of nights. No offence taken get on 360 and join me and the others.

i was just pointing out that anyone with the game would of known that conquest was planned from before the game came out, and igreys knowledge on the subject seems to be lacking.

[IGreyAreaI]

Originally Posted by SpaceballsPlayer

wrong guy curb mate, i didnt trade it, i was playing other night in fact,had it since release, been playing other things as well but been having some good games with some new friends last couple of nights. No offence taken get on 360 and join me and the others.

i was just pointing out that anyone with the game would of known that conquest was planned from before the game came out, and igreys knowledge on the subject seems to be lacking.

Played the demo and still the game, sadly more hours than most. That other guy is the one that doesn't get it. Even if they did include the coding for conquest when released but didn't "active it" (dumb), how can they still go in and edit all these issues with the game now but be unable to do anything about this?

[IGreyAreaI]

Originally Posted by SpaceballsPlayer

why dont you get a job with dice and add it.

I don't need a job. But I can tell you this, they sorely needed to speak with loyal players in the planning stages. Any one of us could have told them they would be nuts to release this game without Conquest mode, team or at least vehicle chat, and Clan Support!

[GordonVanDyke]

Updating for Console 101: Title Updates must contain all previous updates data plus any added data i.e. fixes, features, sounds, or images. The Title Update must not exceed 4MB on XBOX 360 and isn't negotiable. (No console fanboy flames on this please and we will treat both equals)

The 200KB left in the Title Update isn't the only technical hurdle, but I won't get into that since the first matters most.

Conquest was not in the main game and was added in the Title Update.

IGreyAreaI, making any update for any console title involves massive amounts of work that you as a consumer will never see or know of. So, implying that I'm not telling the truth, insulting me, or that you know better than the engineer's that created this game from the ground up still won't make it happen any easier or suddenly possible to do. I still admire yours and everyone else here’s passion and love for BFBC. It is the only reason I even post here, because like you I too love this game beyond just it being my job.

Killing-Stare (I think it was you that asked), right now all that can be added is new levels with current content that is in the game i.e. a Gold Rush or Conquest map.

P.S. Only reason I answered this was to clear-up misunderstandings.

[H34T533K3R_]

Hey Gordon thanks for replying to the threads at least. You should also post in the sony usa playstation forums you have a bunch of disgruntled fans.

What i dont get is why did they market the game at the beginning "clan support to be added in the future" and now shifting to "dont hold your breath"

You guys really crapped out as far as the what the players expectations go with bf games.

Even socom is having clan support, at least thats what they say.

Its being posted on the forums, us players are willing to pay for it, one time fee or small monthly fees.

Even if you cant offer full clan support at least add the option of letting players add clan tags like cod4, it would be even better if we could have a squad of 12 and if not only the squad leader could send invites, everyone should be able to send squad invites.

At least we could have a room full with 12 friends. At least that much would greatly help and improve the game experience.

[killzonekid1]

Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

Updating for Console 101: Title Updates must contain all previous updates data plus any added data i.e. fixes, features, sounds, or images. The Title Update must not exceed 4MB on XBOX 360 and isn't negotiable. (No console fanboy flames on this please and we will treat both equals)

So am I to understand that you can only use what is in the game already because of the size limits, ie you use the existing maps that are in the Campaign and only add rules as to how they should be configured, therefore the space required for update to add 4 new maps is minimal as rules are just the instructions on how the maps should look like and do not contain any heavy graphics or 3d models as all that is already on the disk?

This would certainly explain why there will be no new vehicles or weapons or anything that is not already on the disk. Are you adding that chopper that used to transport the president in the game with possibility of flying 4 people?

PS forgot you don't answer my posts, ever, never mind

[IGreyAreaI]

Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

IGreyAreaI, making any update for any console title involves massive amounts of work that you as a consumer will never see or know of.

I understand this. I would imagine there is a lot that goes into preparing, testing, and getting ready to mass implement any change to your game. Remember though, we are asking for 1 menu option and one configuration change, so servers will recognize this option and start a room without adding other people. The point I am making is that it seems, from my perspective, extremely possible given your size limitation. The question is, is it worth all that extra work for you to go and prepare for another expensive update through XBOX Live.

I propose it is worth the extra effort, and predict your traffic will continue to drop unless you take this feature very seriously.

[norm4260]

As far as I'm concerned BF:BC is dead in the water now. It's not going to get fixed/improved. Just like BF2:MC.

Everybody might as well be telling Gordon what they want to see in future BF games. Like what can we expect?

[curb47]

Originally Posted by SpaceballsPlayer

wrong guy curb mate, i didnt trade it

Ah... oops... sorry. That'll teach me to try and be a smart ****.

[Colossi Hitman]

Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

I really admire your passion and love for this game and the desire to have an option to play in a Private match, but for the last time it is not that easy and if it was we would have added it. Anything I have read here or any where else we have already thought of and tried and you could offer us what ever your mind can come up with, but it will not change the facts. I have told you everything I could on this subject and I will no longer respond to any of these threads again unless things change on our end and like I said before "Don't hold your Breath."

P.S. I won't answer any direct questions on this subject, you can ask, but don't expect a reply.

That is some fob off your trying to sell us, did DICE not like being pioneers in the FPS arena? Can't you step up to the challenge? Remove your pathetic time limit on Conquest, introduce ticket based scoring system, speed up the vehicles & give us more FREEDOM in the claustaphobic maps that are supposed to be panoramic in feel & scope?

I do apologise, I thought what we were asking was far to futuristic & demanding to implement.....but hang on.......April 11, 2006....BF......MC HAD ALREADY INTRODUCED ALL THESE FEATURES INTO A GAME OF THE SAME GENRE...HAHAHA...Surely we can't match such a dated game in terms of 'in game features/options' can we? Not the mighty EA/DICE corporations....

Why was this not all done before release? How come KAOS still closely listen to there fans & try to include updates concerning what they want in Frontlines even though it blows? Why can't you guys be yes men instead of no men?

No, what we will do, to the general public, who know what they want in a game to keep them coming back to it for several years (The vets of MC still choose that over BC for longevity), to make it an all time greatest classic, let's just tell the World who pays our wages & gives out companies millions of £'s/$'s it's to dam 'hard' for us to find a solution to.

[TWHokie]

You know what Gordon, I understand how hard it is for you to be the middle man between DICE and its customers. But, to be frank and honest, we have every right to be angry at a half-assed product like BF:BC. Whoever on your team was bright enough to say, "Hey, let's get rid of that feature that made our games so revolutionary, I think everyone will like it better" deserves to be fired and blacklisted from developing. The game has the potential to be the next Halo, but with things like this that are lacking in the game, it doesn't have a prayer.

I know that there isn't much hope in getting clan support, and quite frankly, myself and my 1,048 clanmates in Tactical Gaming are disappointed as well. I appreciate you being here and replying to these threads, and I wish that you could give us more answers, although obviously it is not in your power. But it must be said as it has been said a thousand times, DICE should be ashamed of itself for not giving its loyal customers a full product and then expecting us to not complain about it profusely.

Also, I think we've all had enough of the people in here defending DICE to the point that they are telling us to stop complaining. That is fine that you want to defend them, but do it in a way that isn't inhibiting freedom of speech, because you are not being helpful AT ALL and it is quite annoying. I believe that in many other forums, this kind of behavior is considered "trolling".

DICE, I love Battlefield: Bad Company, as much as many others in this forum, but shame on you.

[SpaceballsPlayer]

Originally Posted by curb47

Ah... oops... sorry. That'll teach me to try and be a smart ****.

might be ultrashots he vanished i think he might of traded it.

[SpaceballsPlayer]

so full changes to game are limited to 4mb. but maps for goldrush or conquest can be anything. since ive done ghost recon maps that were pushing 1gig.

got to ask twhoke with such a passion for the game why you have only just joined the forums.

[killzonekid1]

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[SpaceballsPlayer]

my fault, typed in wrong bit, i love 1days specials.

[djsy2008]

Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

Updating for Console 101: Title Updates must contain all previous updates data plus any added data i.e. fixes, features, sounds, or images. The Title Update must not exceed 4MB on XBOX 360 and isn't negotiable. (No console fanboy flames on this please and we will treat both equals)

The 200KB left in the Title Update isn't the only technical hurdle, but I won't get into that since the first matters most.

Conquest was not in the main game and was added in the Title Update.

IGreyAreaI, making any update for any console title involves massive amounts of work that you as a consumer will never see or know of. So, implying that I'm not telling the truth, insulting me, or that you know better than the engineer's that created this game from the ground up still won't make it happen any easier or suddenly possible to do. I still admire yours and everyone else here’s passion and love for BFBC. It is the only reason I even post here, because like you I too love this game beyond just it being my job.

Killing-Stare (I think it was you that asked), right now all that can be added is new levels with current content that is in the game i.e. a Gold Rush or Conquest map.

P.S. Only reason I answered this was to clear-up misunderstandings.

such a shame isn't it
The Title Update must not exceed 4MB on XBOX 360 and isn't negotiable.

Thats about it then.
fix the coms and we'll carry on

LOL - Can u get MS to get a game together so we can kill em! and maul them with helis all day long lol!

To Dice: What does your team think about this, are you happy? i wouldn't be.

[H34T533K3R_]

of course the dice team is happy, they are getting paid for not doing the extra work that woulve completed the game.

[killzonekid1]

Originally Posted by H34T533K3R_

of course the dice team is happy, they are getting paid for not doing the extra work that woulve completed the game.

Where are all these negative people coming from? Ok ok it is tough, credit crunch and stuff, but it doesn't give anyone the right to slag DICE off.

It this was true, that DICE were work shy, then where does all this love comes from that they have put in the game?

[SpaceballsPlayer]

we could be sad and create accounts just to post whinners go away, but then who would be that sad to just create an account to post in one topic and vanish.

[killing-stare]

Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

Updating for Console 101: Title Updates must contain all previous updates data plus any added data i.e. fixes, features, sounds, or images. The Title Update must not exceed 4MB on XBOX 360 and isn't negotiable. (No console fanboy flames on this please and we will treat both equals)

The 200KB left in the Title Update isn't the only technical hurdle, but I won't get into that since the first matters most.

Conquest was not in the main game and was added in the Title Update.

IGreyAreaI, making any update for any console title involves massive amounts of work that you as a consumer will never see or know of. So, implying that I'm not telling the truth, insulting me, or that you know better than the engineer's that created this game from the ground up still won't make it happen any easier or suddenly possible to do. I still admire yours and everyone else here’s passion and love for BFBC. It is the only reason I even post here, because like you I too love this game beyond just it being my job.

Killing-Stare (I think it was you that asked), right now all that can be added is new levels with current content that is in the game i.e. a Gold Rush or Conquest map.

P.S. Only reason I answered this was to clear-up misunderstandings.

Thank you for answering my question Gordon.

However I find it somewhat appalling that Microsofts' policy will not
only deny 360 users the features they wanted, but also PS3 users.
It's unfair and to quite frank, BALLS.

[X_BLaCKBeaRD_X]

ok, i dont understand why each side (ps3 and xbox360) have to be equal according to GVD. If I remember correctly, the 360 got a new and updated version of BF2:MODERN COMBAT and the PS3 got NOTHING. Anyone that had a ps3 had to put in the ps2 version of BF2:MODERN COMBAT. Is that EQUAL? I think not. So Microsoft has rules, what does that have to do with PS3? It's not our fault or Dice's fault that the 360 has these limitations. The PS3 users should not be held back because of this, it's not fair. The only reason DICE won't give clan support to the PS3 alone is because they don't want to "upset" MICROSOFT when 360 Battlefield fans switch to the PS3 and stop playing on the 360 so they get the clan support, lol. It's always about the money baby. How many PS2 users that played Modern Combat left SONY to get the newest version on the 360??? ALOT! Did it affect SONY to the point where they didn't allow BF:BC not to be released on their console? no! So why are they so worried about what Microsoft might do?