HOT!! Mobile AAA's Discussion...

[FCastro_Ruz]

Sinse the Multiplayer Vid aired at E3; we got to see a glimpse of what might have been Mobile AAA's. That is of course for the Russian Faction with the Zu-23-2 AAA as in Bad Company 1. Because we didn't get to see on what will the Zu-23-2 be mounted on; I decided to do this post. The options are endless when making the most popular AAA system in the world a mounted AAA. Of course DICE could just have choosen the SHILKA as an option for a Mobile AAA but I am ok with the idea of the Zu-23-2 although I wouldn't mind the ZSU-23-4 Shilka M. Anyways here are the pics of the system and posible mountings which I am certain that one of them will be the one on the game. This is a poll so you can speculate the one that actually will be on the game. I would personally like to see a lot variations of AAA's and not only the Zu-23-2 in the game.

Zu-23-2 ( As in Bad Company 1):

























These AAA guns are very popular and in service in the three great factions that are playable in Battlefield Series: The Chinesse, The MEC, and of course the RUSSIANS.

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Here are some of the Mountings in which this AAA gun can be fitted and certainly the one that will appear in the game is in one of these.

Russian Truck ( Often Ural Trucks ):

Very widely used on top of these trucks - Cuban Army used it a lot on the Angolan Civil War (against personal and aircraft) so it has seen combat in these trucks.

"I spot some Polish"












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Besides trucks this AAA system is also mounted in several Hulls. That includes the BMP/D Hulls, and BTR Hulls... basically any APC Hull similar to those of Russian origin including Chinesse.


BMD Hull -- Recent Russian-Georgian Conflit:













BTR Hull - Same Conflit:













Chinesse APC Hull:













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I am certainly certain that one of these options will be the one featured in the game. Certainly China has them, Russia as well as Middle East Countries which are the foundation of the ficticious MEC.

After some "thought"; I believe the Zu-23-2 will be mounted on a Hull and not a truck due to the wide angle view we get to see in the vid. That could not be possible with the Cabin of a truck in an opposite side. (+ as Yutax stated below; in single player BC1, there is one with probably a BMP/D Hull).

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If it was my pick for Russian Mobile AAA, I would go for the Shilka M (radar) because it's more accurate.

Here are some pics:


























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Because this is not only a game about RUSSIAN AAA's; I hope to see Russian Choppers in an "Attack Mode" so that we can include as a keeper the American M167 VULCAN AAA system with its variants.

VULCAN likes the HEAT!













Mounted on a on a modified M113 vehicle:













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Post any pics of other AAA systems similar to these that can be included in the Game.

Any stories concerning AAA use in Bad Company 1 with pics will be greatly welcomed.

[Yustax]

I think the only AA vehicle we will see is that in Air Force One level where you control the Hind. If you manage to kill the single soldier manning it, then land the chopper and take a look, is just the russian APC with the AA on top. Then the american apc with an AA on top of it. At least if they are lazy its going to be like that.

If they are not, then they can add the Shilka and the Vulcan. If not then the Gepard AA for MEC.

[lordofthejewsjr]

wow castro, how long did it take you to type that? 0.0

[FCastro_Ruz]

Originally Posted by Yustax

I think the only AA vehicle we will see is that in Air Force One level where you control the Hind. If you manage to kill the single soldier manning it, then land the chopper and take a look, is just the russian APC with the AA on top. Then the american apc with an AA on top of it. At least if they are lazy its going to be like that.

If they are not, then they can add the Shilka and the Vulcan. If not then the Gepard AA for MEC.

APC you mean BMD Hulls probably - well; no, I am certain it's one of these:

[FCastro_Ruz]

Originally Posted by lordofthejewsjr

wow castro, how long did it take you to type that? 0.0

You know how I roll... I got one for Buggy's and Armored vehicles for next week.

[Yustax]

Wait here Im going to post a few pictures...

[FCastro_Ruz]

Originally Posted by Yustax

Wait here Im going to post a few pictures...

I got them anyways before you send me the e-mail... Yutax; you can always use TinyPic... no need for photobucket. Certainly thank you for the tip.... We will see each other soon in the incoming months on the PSN... since I'll buy one by the end of next month.

Here it is:






































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As for what you're seen in the picture-- this is the Mobile AAA we will get in Bad Company 2 I guess. Basically the Hull from the BMD-3/4 will be used to make the Zu-23-2 23mm AAA mobile. I hijacked this BMD.

[FCastro_Ruz]

A lot of people have seen this two famous pictures hanging around the web.. pretty old... They unveil the Vulcan AAA system for the American faction right here. AS you can see DICE already had planed the introduction of these vehicles... at least they sketched them. I hope they are in the sequel.... More hopes for those who so far have voted YES.




















Zoom:

[Yustax]

Great find, yes those were pictures I was going to send to you, my camera sucks and so does photobucket. Anyway I also noticed a SAM site, I can also notice that the americans will have a proper american weapon instead of sharing the russian zu, I now hope for russians using a proper RGD-5 grenade instead of all sides using an american M61 grenade, used in the vietnam war.

[ZuluZuluZulu]

Super noob question:

What's the third of the "A's" stand for in AAA? Anti-Air I am familiar with, but not the third A.

[TheKl3an3r]

Originally Posted by ZuluZuluZulu

Super noob question:

What's the third of the "A's" stand for in AAA? Anti-Air I am familiar with, but not the third A.

I was wondering that too.

[Yustax]

AAA: Anti Air Artillery, is just a nick really. Every single high caliber anti air gun is considered anti air artillery.

The german Flak 36 its a good example of this, could be used as an anti air gun, as an artillery and finally the most fearsome role in WW2, as a extremely powerful anti tank gun.

[ZuluZuluZulu]

Originally Posted by Yustax

AAA: Anti Air Artillery

The german Flak 36 its a good example of this, could be used as an anti air gun, as an artillery and finally the most fearsome role in WW2, as a extremely powerful anti tank gun.

Thanks.

So the vulcan is basically a gatling gun, with an immense rate of fire, meant to rip right through a plane or chopper with a ton of tiny holes?

[lordofthejewsjr]

so from those pictures, the Russian chopper will act as the transport and attack chopper? cool, the sam sight has me interested, maybe it'll lock on to jets when they make a bombing run on a vehicle.

[Yustax]

Originally Posted by ZuluZuluZulu

Thanks.

So the vulcan is basically a gatling gun, with an immense rate of fire, meant to rip right through a plane or chopper with a ton of tiny holes?

Yes, not to be confused with the Gatling 30mm cannon of the A10 Warthog.

[ZuluZuluZulu]

Originally Posted by Yustax

Yes, not to be confused with the Gatling 30mm cannon of the A10 Warthog.

This sounds pretty cool. Could actually be balanced very easily too. For instance, the AA now is rather powerful per shell, but not very accurate. The vulcan can be the F2000 equivalent, accurate, fast ROF, but each bullet does very little. Both could have the same optimal killing time, and it can boil down to personal preference with no problems to gameplay.

[FCastro_Ruz]

Well Yutax like I said.... Tinypic is your solution lol... I hope you have better pics than mine.. and you're right... this gattling gun should not be confused with the one from the A10 although the looks are very similar.. even similar to what you will have in the UH-60 Blackhawk that you saw in the vid which actually took out a tank.

For Zulu --- indeed that will serve as a gun to put millions of little holes on a chopper lol

[FCastro_Ruz]

Originally Posted by lordofthejewsjr

so from those pictures, the Russian chopper will act as the transport and attack chopper? cool, the sam sight has me interested, maybe it'll lock on to jets when they make a bombing run on a vehicle.

I don't think we will be able to man a SAM site in this sequel but rather those stationary rocket launchers (anti-tank) that we had in Bad Company 1. SAMs might be available for single player only....

The one on the sketch is very similar if not to The Patriot Missile system (99% sure) which is American and not Russian.. There are many Russian SAM's out there. The famous SA' series.


Medium - Low Range SAMs:

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Pic of MIM 104 Patriot Missile Defense System (SAM):






























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Russians use many (SA series as Nato calls them) - Anyways equivalent to Patriot:

SA-15 Gauntlet/Tor-M1 (SAM):













How rockets are inside:

[Yustax]

You call this similar? Look the size of this monstruosity...

This is a 30MM shell:



This...is...a comparisson...of...a...VW...car:



This thing its a monster, just the gun forms around 60% space in the plane

[PSsovietman]

I like the Idea, but if they mount them on mobile carrages like the BMD one we saw in SP of BFBC I hope they will increase the rate of damage the chopper does to the vehicle compared to a normal light tank, or make it very easy to blast the gunner off the thing, Other wise it would be very thrown in favor of the AA. its far hard enough to hit and KILL the AA when its standing still let alone on a moving vehicle

[FCastro_Ruz]

Originally Posted by Yustax

You call this similar? Look the size of this monstruosity...

This is a 30MM shell:

23mm shell - Zu-23-2 (Anti-Aircraft):














30mm Shells is what APC's fire (Autocannon). And to say you actually need like 2-3 of those to kill someone in Bad Company.

[FCastro_Ruz]

Originally Posted by PSsovietman

I like the Idea, but if they mount them on mobile carrages like the BMD one we saw in SP of BFBC I hope they will increase the rate of damage the chopper does to the vehicle compared to a normal light tank, or make it very easy to blast the gunner off the thing, Other wise it would be very thrown in favor of the AA. its far hard enough to hit and KILL the AA when its standing still let alone on a moving vehicle

Yea I guess they should be easier to take down due to more view of the pilot to what he's shooting at. Although mobile means a second driver + also it can run away to find cover inside some building garage or woods ---- so I guess the rockets from Choppers do more damage this time around. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.. I mean .. we are getting a lot of vehicles.. that is good.. the only thing not good is only 12 players per team which makes vechiles stay empty in the parking lot.

[Crimson_Engage]

I rather have a railgun...

[Neanderthal]

Originally Posted by FCastro_Ruz

A lot of people have seen this two famous pictures hanging around the web.. pretty old... They unveil the Vulcan AAA system for the American faction right here. AS you can see DICE already had planed the introduction of these vehicles... at least they sketched them. I hope they are in the sequel.... More hopes for those who so far have voted YES.























Zoom:

I'm pretty sure that those were the vehicles that were supposed to be in BC. I saw that same picture just after the release of BC1 on Planet Battlefield. I think the Vulcan is even in one of the early gameplay trailers, but it got cut before the release.

[vijx]

You guys might be overthinking this one. DICE doesn't have the best record of making things fit technically and historically. I wouldn't be surprised if DICE just took the pre-existing light tank, replaced the main gun with an AA position. The Bradley, if I am not mistakened is the light tank for the US in BC. In BF2, the Bradley was the AA tank, and so I wouldn't be surprised if it served a dual purpose in BC2.

But of course, speculating the technical aspects of the guns and vehicles in any war video game always brings me some excitement (while I am no expert on weapon systems in any way).