Wow DICE!!

[Vapo-KAAOS]

Just to recap quickly.

DICE @ PC Players: 'don't worry, we got your back'



So far we have:

No developer console.
No PBBans. (No offence GGC but I hadn't even heard of you until this fiasco)
No Server client.
No Mod tools.
No Screenies/Videos.
Delayed Beta.
No Demo.
Lower Sound Quality than Consoles.
Silly features we don't want instead of ones we do.
No Moments 1 HUD.
No battlerecorder.
No good RCON (Unknown but I'm not holding my breathe with any features.)



This effectively means:

No competitive community.
No mappers community.
No potential Forgotten Hope 3 community.
No potential Project Reality 2 community.
No BF3C, 21CW etc.
Over run with hackers, padders & glitchers
Therefore no hardcore pub clans/communities.

And so on.



This also hurts the normal pubbers because:

Many comp clans/teams have a pub server or two. Also many comp players swap back to vanilla every so often & see bellow.
Mod community keeps the game alive, most mod players swap back to vanilla every so often & this helps stop the game dying.
Admins will have hard time running a good server. This will mean there are less, this will mean less community & choice for players.
All of the above means less clans & therefore less servers.


If you don't believe me just look at ETQW, FFoW, 2142. They have so few servers & population now it's just ridiculous.

Game server stats at time of writing:
ET:QW: ~40 active servers. Many with only 1 or 2 players in, probably idling.
FFoW: 9 active servers. 5 have under 10 players.
2142: 143 active servers. 51 have under 10 players.


You do not want your game to turn out like that!




Also - Please give me a good reason why I should stick with DICE & this game because there are other games with seemingly better support & community relations etc etc that I could go switch my pre-order to. I now realise the only reason I am still here is because I LOVE the PC Battlefield games. I'm sure others are here for the same reasons, if this game didn't have the "Battlefield" title I wouldn't have given it a second thought after hearing about the 'features'.

[VauxhallDaedra]

Its strange I've never heard of a company pulling a complete lalalalalala move like this before.. oh wait, there was Infinity Ward, look how well that is turning out for PC players...

[ThyWhoHasNoName]

Well it would be intresting to hear about their future plans from DICE about mods etc in all their future and present games.

[Tephra]

Originally Posted by Vapo-KAAOS

Just to recap quickly.

DICE @ PC Players: 'don't worry, we got your back'



So far we have:

No developer console.
No PBBans. (No offence GGC but I hadn't even heard of you until this fiasco)
No Server client.
No Mod tools.
No Screenies/Videos.
Delayed Beta.
No Demo.
Lower Sound Quality than Consoles.
Silly features we don't want instead of ones we do.
No Moments 1 HUD.
No battlerecorder.
No good RCON (Unknown but I'm not holding my breathe with any features.)



This effectively means:

No competitive community.
No mappers community.
No potential Forgotten Hope 3 community.
No potential Project Reality 2 community.
No BF3C, 21CW etc.
Over run with hackers, padders & glitchers
Therefore no hardcore pub clans/communities.

And so on.



This also hurts the normal pubbers because:

Many comp clans/teams have a pub server or two. Also many comp players swap back to vanilla every so often & see bellow.
Mod community keeps the game alive, most mod players swap back to vanilla every so often & this helps stop the game dying.
Admins will have hard time running a good server. This will mean there are less, this will mean less community & choice for players.
All of the above means less clans & therefore less servers.


If you don't believe me just look at ETQW, FFoW, 2142. They have so few servers & population now it's just ridiculous.

Game server stats at time of writing:
ET:QW: ~40 active servers. Many with only 1 or 2 players in, probably idling.
FFoW: 9 active servers. 5 have under 10 players.
2142: 143 active servers. 51 have under 10 players.


You do not want your game to turn out like that!




Also - Please give me a good reason why I should stick with DICE & this game because there are other games with seemingly better support & community relations etc etc that I could go switch my pre-order to. I now realise the only reason I am still here is because I LOVE the PC Battlefield games. I'm sure others are here for the same reasons, if this game didn't have the "Battlefield" title I wouldn't have given it a second thought after hearing about the 'features'.

I support this message with every fiber of my patience.

[notodd1991]

Originally Posted by Vapo-KAAOS

Just to recap quickly.

DICE @ PC Players: 'don't worry, we got your back'



So far we have:

No developer console.
No PBBans. (No offence GGC but I hadn't even heard of you until this fiasco)
No Server client.
No Mod tools.
No Screenies/Videos.
Delayed Beta.
No Demo.
Lower Sound Quality than Consoles.
Silly features we don't want instead of ones we do.
No Moments 1 HUD.
No battlerecorder.
No good RCON (Unknown but I'm not holding my breathe with any features.)



This effectively means:

No competitive community.
No mappers community.
No potential Forgotten Hope 3 community.
No potential Project Reality 2 community.
No BF3C, 21CW etc.
Over run with hackers, padders & glitchers
Therefore no hardcore pub clans/communities.

And so on.



This also hurts the normal pubbers because:

Many comp clans/teams have a pub server or two. Also many comp players swap back to vanilla every so often & see bellow.
Mod community keeps the game alive, most mod players swap back to vanilla every so often & this helps stop the game dying.
Admins will have hard time running a good server. This will mean there are less, this will mean less community & choice for players.
All of the above means less clans & therefore less servers.


If you don't believe me just look at ETQW, FFoW, 2142. They have so few servers & population now it's just ridiculous.

Game server stats at time of writing:
ET:QW: ~40 active servers. Many with only 1 or 2 players in, probably idling.
FFoW: 9 active servers. 5 have under 10 players.
2142: 143 active servers. 51 have under 10 players.


You do not want your game to turn out like that!




Also - Please give me a good reason why I should stick with DICE & this game because there are other games with seemingly better support & community relations etc etc that I could go switch my pre-order to. I now realise the only reason I am still here is because I LOVE the PC Battlefield games. I'm sure others are here for the same reasons, if this game didn't have the "Battlefield" title I wouldn't have given it a second thought after hearing about the 'features'.

[p0tty]

Originally Posted by Vapo-KAAOS

Just to recap quickly.

DICE @ PC Players: 'don't worry, we got your back'



So far we have:

No developer console.
No PBBans. (No offence GGC but I hadn't even heard of you until this fiasco)
No Server client.
No Mod tools.
No Screenies/Videos.
Delayed Beta.
No Demo.
Lower Sound Quality than Consoles.
Silly features we don't want instead of ones we do.
No Moments 1 HUD.
No battlerecorder.
No good RCON (Unknown but I'm not holding my breathe with any features.)



This effectively means:

No competitive community.
No mappers community.
No potential Forgotten Hope 3 community.
No potential Project Reality 2 community.
No BF3C, 21CW etc.
Over run with hackers, padders & glitchers
Therefore no hardcore pub clans/communities.

And so on.



This also hurts the normal pubbers because:

Many comp clans/teams have a pub server or two. Also many comp players swap back to vanilla every so often & see bellow.
Mod community keeps the game alive, most mod players swap back to vanilla every so often & this helps stop the game dying.
Admins will have hard time running a good server. This will mean there are less, this will mean less community & choice for players.
All of the above means less clans & therefore less servers.


If you don't believe me just look at ETQW, FFoW, 2142. They have so few servers & population now it's just ridiculous.

Game server stats at time of writing:
ET:QW: ~40 active servers. Many with only 1 or 2 players in, probably idling.
FFoW: 9 active servers. 5 have under 10 players.
2142: 143 active servers. 51 have under 10 players.


You do not want your game to turn out like that!




Also - Please give me a good reason why I should stick with DICE & this game because there are other games with seemingly better support & community relations etc etc that I could go switch my pre-order to. I now realise the only reason I am still here is because I LOVE the PC Battlefield games. I'm sure others are here for the same reasons, if this game didn't have the "Battlefield" title I wouldn't have given it a second thought after hearing about the 'features'.

101 % agree.

No developer console.
No battlerecorder.
No good RCON (Unknown but I'm not holding my breathe with any features.)
only PB Basics

=

No competitive community.

[wazups2x]

Dice what has happened to you? You used to be such a great developer.

[Pandamobile]

I'm still holding on the the dream that Battlefield 3 will be the game we're all expecting Bad Compnay 2 to be.

I mean, BC2 could effectively be Battlefield 3's BF2MC.

[Yustax]

Originally Posted by Pandamobile

I'm still holding on the the dream that Battlefield 3 will be the game we're all expecting Bad Compnay 2 to be.

I mean, BC2 could effectively be Battlefield 3's BF2MC.

Well to put it this way; Battlefield Bad Company 2 is the sequel to a console game that its on PC.

[Levente_BMW]

as long as im playing on dedicated servers and ips i can connect i dont a give a lalala about the rest.

[Pandamobile]

Originally Posted by Yustax

Well to put it this way; Battlefield Bad Company 2 is the sequel to a console game that its on PC.

Exactly. Bad Company 2 isn't really cannon with the rest of the Battlefield series. It's a spin-off.

If DICE were cutting these kinds of features from Battlefield 3, then I'd be fuming mad. Right now, I'm just glad I get a new Battlefield game this year.

By the way, Vapo, where are you getting "Lower Sound Quality than Consoles" from?

[Ltn_Mike]

I COMPLETLY agree with Vapo!!! Well said man, I feel exactly the same about this game right now! In fact, after all this I would just settle for a BF2 with frostbite!!!

It is sad how basic features just seem to disappear, things we just took for granted based on the logic that if they had them in a game that was developed 4 years ago and worked SPECTACULARLY they would put them in their following sequels, but no... It is even humorous reading console players asking for features and having these"new"ideas and begging the developers to put them in when we allready had them in BF2 (most havent even heard of the game)

It is true, right now the only thing that has me coming to this forum and following this game ever since I went to the winter showcase is my love for the BF series which I spent countless hours playing with my friends on the PC, good times...

[wazups2x]

Originally Posted by Yustax

Well to put it this way; Battlefield Bad Company 2 is the sequel to a console game that its on PC.

The question is why did Dice completely ditch the PC and make a console only game in the first place? PC Gamers are the people that made Battlefield such a hit. Dice is almost as bad as IW.

[1Bryce1]

Maybe we should have had them define "console port" before we accepted their word that it wouldn't be one.

As of now the only real difference I see is enhanced graphics (yet to be seen) 32 players and server browser.

They should have just been up front from the beginning and blatantly said...this game will be a PC version of a console games sequel. ie: Port

Not to trivialize the major effort it took to make but it is lacking quite a few things that make a PC game unique.

[Pandamobile]

Originally Posted by Ltn_Mike

I COMPLETLY agree with Vapo!!! Well said man, I feel exactly the same about this game right now! In fact, after all this I would just settle for a BF2 with frostbite!!!

It is sad how basic features just seem to disappear, things we just took for granted based on the logic that if they had them in a game that was developed 4 years ago and worked SPECTACULARLY they would put them in their following sequels, but no... It is even humorous reading console players asking for features and having these"new"ideas and begging the developers to put them in when we allready had them in BF2 (most havent even heard of the game)

It is true, right now the only thing that has me coming to this forum and following this game ever since I went to the winter showcase is my love for the BF series which I spent countless hours playing with my friends on the PC, good times...

I think that's what everyone wants. Battlefield 2 in Frostbite. And that's what we're all expecting Bad Company 2 to be, which it isn't, unfortuneately.

[jblackrupert]

Because PC games take too much effort and money to create.

Console games are just cheap low talent required hack jobs they can wack out one after another and sell for higher prices.

And no matter how crappy you will always get rave reviews.

[Yustax]

Originally Posted by wazups2x

The question is why did Dice completely ditch the PC and make a console only game in the first place? PC Gamers are the people that made Battlefield such a hit. Dice is almost as bad as IW.

Common dont be that harsh. Yes Battlefield did began on the PC, that still doesnt mean that it will stay on PC as it was clearly demostrated with BF2MC and it was a hit. If you have 4 apples that you supply only to blue people you have profit; but if you sell your apples to purple, yellow and blue people you have more profit and gain more, it gets as simple as that.

Originally Posted by jblackrupert

Because PC games take too much effort and money to create.

Console games are just cheap low talent required hack jobs they can wack out one after another and sell for higher prices.

And no matter how crappy you will always get rave reviews.

You are very wrong about this; games whatever the plataforms; console or PC. It gets too much money to research the game. Just look at GTA4, Metal Gear 4, Resident Evil and many more.

[Symonator]

Originally Posted by jblackrupert

Because PC games take too much effort and money to create.

Console games are just cheap low talent required hack jobs they can wack out one after another and sell for higher prices.

And no matter how crappy you will always get rave reviews.

Do you honestly believe that?
Hope not buddy, silly comment.

[wazups2x]

Originally Posted by Yustax

Common dont be that harsh. Yes Battlefield did began on the PC, that still doesnt mean that it will stay on PC as it was clearly demostrated with BF2MC and it was a hit. If you have 4 apples that you supply only to blue people you have profit; but if you sell your apples to purple, yellow and blue people you have more profit and gain more, it gets as simple as that.

I didn't say it should stay only on the PC, the point was that BF: BC never even came to the PC. For some odd reason they completely abandoned us for the consoles. They could've made it for the PC and than ported it over to the consoles, or at least ported it from the consoles to the PC. But they left us in the dust instead.

[-MERC-SG-17]

Originally Posted by jblackrupert

Because PC games take too much effort and money to create.

Console games are just cheap low talent required hack jobs they can wack out one after another and sell for higher prices.

And no matter how crappy you will always get rave reviews.

Oh yes Uncharted 2 was definitely a hack job. COD on the other hand is.
Most multiplatform console games require/get 18+ months of development time. Exclusives normally go 22+. The only game series that I know of that are pumped out like you describe are COD and sports games.


The reason I believe that DICE decided to make BFBC1 console only is because they needed a stable test bed to test Frostbite, the specifications do not variate between consoles like they do with PCs. DICE also realized with BF2MC that they could make large profits on consoles, and in case you've forgotten they are a business.

[Tephra]

Resident evil was a hunk of lalalala, I smashed that terrible console port into a million pieces. with a hammer. Metal gear? who knows. Gta4 was a terrible port.

[Yustax]

Originally Posted by Tephra

Resident evil was a hunk of lalalala, I smashed that terrible console port into a million pieces. with a hammer. Metal gear? who knows. Gta4 was a terrible port.

Im not talking abouth the current Resident Evil 5. Im talking about the core of the series, from the first Resident Evil to the last; and I dont liked how it turned out, its now instead of a survival horror to a third person shooter; at least Silent Hill stayed on their roots. Metal Gear its indeed one of the most memorable game series ever made; every single game has been a smashing hit from the first Nintendo to the PS3. Metal Gear series is just a master piece. And yeah GTA4 was a terrible port; but at least there's already a modding community and even the possibility of a modded multiplayer.

[BroJohnson]

Dice is pulling an IW

[winny_k]

hmm Dejavu?? i hope not becouse divorce with 2nd franchise is going to be painfull as hell...but in the other hand this is good news for my girlfriend. (thats what she wants that crazy lalalalala)

[NewIDcause]

Man..... why cant DICE just make a lalalalaEN good pc game like BF2. We were all like battle-recorder.... when there isn't even a console lol. lalalalaEN DOOM had a console!!!!! Time machine lalalalalalalas