Visual Firing Doesn't Match REAL Firing

Khaotik55 · 31-01-2010, 07:40 AM

I'm trimming my main post up as my opinion on the subject has changed slightly.

Theory 1:
For every 2 two audible/muzzleflash shots, only one shot is really fired, and only one shot actually counts towards damage. So a 30 round clip is really only 15.

Theory 2:
You only see one decal on the wall for every two shots because it's a way to increase performance, but the bullets are actually still firing.

Note:

If theory 1 is correct, you(developers) fail.
If theory 2 is correct, you(developers) still fail, the pistol does as much damage in one shot as 3 rifle shots do. (Proven fact in-game.)

I'm positive that assault rifle bullets do more damage than a slow moving pistol round.(In real life.) Make it realistic.

And I know some dude's going to come up and be like, "THIS IS A GAME, NOT REAL LIFE".... and I agree, but when pistols do more damage than assault rifles, all I have to say is that there's a certain limit to the amount of off-the-wall nonsense and complete fantasy one can put up with in a game.

The solution to this problem would just add a normal mode, and a hardcore/realism mode like in COD games. (Shut up about me wanting this game to be the next COD, no.) It's just a good idea, everyone's happy. You like to play the game the way it is now? Good play normal. You hate the way the game is now? Good play hardcore. I honestly don't see why you would be opposed to the idea of having two modes. (As far as I know, they ARE doing this, so great.)

Khaotik55 · 31-01-2010, 08:02 AM

Video Explanation:

YouTube - Fail Bullets Are Fail

YouTube - Fail Bullets Are Fail 2

NewfDraggie · 31-01-2010, 08:17 AM

Wow. This explains a lot. Fix now please. Stupid. Fire the dev who thought this up, too.

gibonez · 31-01-2010, 08:19 AM

Yea combine this with the games incredibly weak damage values and you have lalalalalalaed gunplay.

mauriciomreis · 31-01-2010, 08:21 AM

As I thought, it really sucks.

Acindo · 31-01-2010, 08:24 AM

This is fking unbelievable. No wonder ive been raging about bullet registration every single game.

smitteh5569 · 31-01-2010, 08:24 AM

what the ...
fix this bull

Khaotik55 · 31-01-2010, 08:43 AM

Added another video! Second post.

Tephra · 31-01-2010, 08:55 AM

console port?

LUDISE · 31-01-2010, 08:57 AM

Rofl, what is this lalalalalalalala?

naikRAGE · 31-01-2010, 08:57 AM

omg this is stupid

marrrrrr · 31-01-2010, 09:00 AM

lalalala

Kev4000 · 31-01-2010, 09:01 AM

This is only decals I believe. If not, well good thing we're testing betas then.

Simmo777 · 31-01-2010, 09:01 AM

8004

TomasRiker · 31-01-2010, 09:03 AM

That's really rubbish! I hope this thread really gets read by the developers. Chances are bad, since the forum is so flooded with meaningless threads.

Tephra · 31-01-2010, 09:05 AM

Please attempt a test where you slow fire each round. Do you notice the same intermittent blanks, or what?

added to the beta feedback head list.

Khaotik55 · 31-01-2010, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev4000

This is only decals I believe. If not, well good thing we're testing betas then.

Possibility, but for some reason I'm doubting.

Snowey111 · 31-01-2010, 09:06 AM

Thats really weird. I think it might be the effects that are not fully reacting to the bullets. Really why would the bullets just be blanks?

Khaotik55 · 31-01-2010, 09:10 AM

I single-fired the gun, very fast, and every decal showed up.

I would really like someone official to comment on this so I know if it's just to reduce lag. (But why would bullet decals make you lag... they're nothing...)

Someone could end this right here, right now, you just need a buddy to help you out.

Shoot your friend in the chest and see how many bullets it takes to kill in single-shot mode. (Take note of how many bullets it SAYS you fired with the counter on the bottom left.)

Now try your best to fire the same exact amount of bullets in FULL-AUTO, and if it doesn't kill him, they really are blanks.

For example, go to 25 out of 30 on your magazine in SEMI, and do the same on AUTO, and if only one kills him. We know the issue.

Tephra · 31-01-2010, 09:12 AM

I found a line in really deep in the files about decals. The developer left a strange note saying the decals weren't working properly on the PC version.

just giving you all a heads up, off to work.

CAPONX · 31-01-2010, 09:12 AM

Well just because you only see 15 decals that doesent mean the gun only fires 15 rounds....

I bet its a limitation to how many bulletholes a single cam can show,its the same as with many other games.

Im almost 100% they wouldnt miss a thing like this,calm down its only the visuals

Simmo777 · 31-01-2010, 09:15 AM

Actualy bullet penetration decals do reduce FPS lag if u switch them off, this was an option in call of duty and i used to do it as i didnt have a very good machine, and it did used to benefit my fps.

Khaotik55 · 31-01-2010, 09:16 AM

Someone needs to test this using the method I explained a few posts up.

washow · 31-01-2010, 09:21 AM

Maybe it's just visuals. But this really does explain everything. It feels like there is some sort of restriction on how many bullets one can take in a given time. So if you just tap your mouse buttons, they will all register but if you go full auto, the game will ignore some of the hits hence why people don't freaking die when I unload my LMG in people that are defusing m coms by jumping through the window.

Maybe this explains why sometimes people don't die to the combat shotgun blast to the back 7 feet away

Daiesthai · 31-01-2010, 09:25 AM

Wow this really surprised me... no wonder people don't die when you shoot them :/

Fix this asap please.

31-01-2010, 07:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Khaotik55 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 449	Visual Firing Doesn't Match REAL Firing I'm trimming my main post up as my opinion on the subject has changed slightly. Theory 1: For every 2 two audible/muzzleflash shots, only one shot is really fired, and only one shot actually counts towards damage. So a 30 round clip is really only 15. Theory 2: You only see one decal on the wall for every two shots because it's a way to increase performance, but the bullets are actually still firing. Note: If theory 1 is correct, you(developers) fail. If theory 2 is correct, you(developers) still fail, the pistol does as much damage in one shot as 3 rifle shots do. (Proven fact in-game.) I'm positive that assault rifle bullets do more damage than a slow moving pistol round.(In real life.) Make it realistic. And I know some dude's going to come up and be like, "THIS IS A GAME, NOT REAL LIFE".... and I agree, but when pistols do more damage than assault rifles, all I have to say is that there's a certain limit to the amount of off-the-wall nonsense and complete fantasy one can put up with in a game. The solution to this problem would just add a normal mode, and a hardcore/realism mode like in COD games. (Shut up about me wanting this game to be the next COD, no.) It's just a good idea, everyone's happy. You like to play the game the way it is now? Good play normal. You hate the way the game is now? Good play hardcore. I honestly don't see why you would be opposed to the idea of having two modes. (As far as I know, they ARE doing this, so great.) __________________ Last edited by Khaotik55; 31-01-2010 at 07:12 PM.

31-01-2010, 08:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
Khaotik55 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 449	Video Explanation: YouTube - Fail Bullets Are Fail YouTube - Fail Bullets Are Fail 2 __________________ Last edited by Khaotik55; 31-01-2010 at 08:41 AM.

31-01-2010, 08:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
gibonez Forum Guru Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,942	Yea combine this with the games incredibly weak damage values and you have lalalalalalaed gunplay. __________________ Bring the Javelin and Battlefield Recorder/HAlo3 replays to BC2 Click here for more info.

31-01-2010, 08:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Khaotik55 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 449	Added another video! Second post. __________________

31-01-2010, 09:10 AM	#19 (permalink)
Khaotik55 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 449	I single-fired the gun, very fast, and every decal showed up. I would really like someone official to comment on this so I know if it's just to reduce lag. (But why would bullet decals make you lag... they're nothing...) Someone could end this right here, right now, you just need a buddy to help you out. Shoot your friend in the chest and see how many bullets it takes to kill in single-shot mode. (Take note of how many bullets it SAYS you fired with the counter on the bottom left.) Now try your best to fire the same exact amount of bullets in FULL-AUTO, and if it doesn't kill him, they really are blanks. For example, go to 25 out of 30 on your magazine in SEMI, and do the same on AUTO, and if only one kills him. We know the issue. __________________ Last edited by Khaotik55; 31-01-2010 at 09:12 AM.

31-01-2010, 08:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
NewfDraggie Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 15	Wow. This explains a lot. Fix now please. Stupid. Fire the dev who thought this up, too.

31-01-2010, 08:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
Acindo Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 24 Posts: 413	This is fking unbelievable. No wonder ive been raging about bullet registration every single game.

31-01-2010, 08:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
smitteh5569 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 75	what the ... fix this bull

31-01-2010, 08:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tephra Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,475	console port?

31-01-2010, 08:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
LUDISE Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4	Rofl, what is this lalalalalalalala?

31-01-2010, 08:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
naikRAGE Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6	omg this is stupid

31-01-2010, 09:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
marrrrrr Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 123	lalalala

31-01-2010, 09:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
Kev4000 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 15	This is only decals I believe. If not, well good thing we're testing betas then.

31-01-2010, 09:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
Simmo777 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 129	8004

31-01-2010, 09:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
TomasRiker Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 73	That's really rubbish! I hope this thread really gets read by the developers. Chances are bad, since the forum is so flooded with meaningless threads.

31-01-2010, 09:05 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tephra Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,475	Please attempt a test where you slow fire each round. Do you notice the same intermittent blanks, or what? added to the beta feedback head list.

31-01-2010, 09:06 AM	#18 (permalink)
Snowey111 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 29	Thats really weird. I think it might be the effects that are not fully reacting to the bullets. Really why would the bullets just be blanks?

31-01-2010, 09:12 AM	#20 (permalink)
Tephra Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,475	I found a line in really deep in the files about decals. The developer left a strange note saying the decals weren't working properly on the PC version. just giving you all a heads up, off to work.

31-01-2010, 09:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
CAPONX Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 84	Well just because you only see 15 decals that doesent mean the gun only fires 15 rounds.... I bet its a limitation to how many bulletholes a single cam can show,its the same as with many other games. Im almost 100% they wouldnt miss a thing like this,calm down its only the visuals

31-01-2010, 09:15 AM	#22 (permalink)
Simmo777 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 129	Actualy bullet penetration decals do reduce FPS lag if u switch them off, this was an option in call of duty and i used to do it as i didnt have a very good machine, and it did used to benefit my fps.

31-01-2010, 09:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
Khaotik55 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 449	Someone needs to test this using the method I explained a few posts up. __________________

31-01-2010, 09:21 AM	#24 (permalink)
washow Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2	Maybe it's just visuals. But this really does explain everything. It feels like there is some sort of restriction on how many bullets one can take in a given time. So if you just tap your mouse buttons, they will all register but if you go full auto, the game will ignore some of the hits hence why people don't freaking die when I unload my LMG in people that are defusing m coms by jumping through the window. Maybe this explains why sometimes people don't die to the combat shotgun blast to the back 7 feet away

31-01-2010, 09:25 AM	#25 (permalink)
Daiesthai Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 283	Wow this really surprised me... no wonder people don't die when you shoot them :/ Fix this asap please.

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