Questions raised regarding Update 1.50

[Slayersav]

Originally Posted by dstyle5

I read your initial post and I don't believe I missed the point of it. You want EA to give your credit for products that you willingly paid for, using the fact that you didn't play them as a reason why they should give you credit. Perhaps you shouldn't have bought them in the first place? If game companies gave credits to people every time they dropped the price or made stuff free they wouldn't be in business very long.

No I thought it would be a good idea since there making it free now not because I wanted credit.

Im not making a big deal of it, just an idea. l know i willingly paid for it, Im happy I bought the boosters, I just stating.

Im not trying to argue dont worry about replying to this cuz it's not getting either of us anywhere, just an idea bro.

[Slayersav]

Originally Posted by globefish23

You should contact EA support or ask Baza if they can split one set of the boosters and link it to your brother's account.

After all, he's missing out the awesome medals found here:
Battlefield Veterans
(When it's back from maintenance again.)

There making it free so im not worried about it. Just a bad mix up :-)

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

So...what's the deal with the booster packs? Will server admins be able to put any map into their rotation? Will all maps be available (ie: none that are red) under vanilla BF2's server browser, under one executable?

[Frankelstner]

Originally Posted by EastCoastSnipa8U

So...what's the deal with the booster packs? Will server admins be able to put any map into their rotation? Will all maps be available (ie: none that are red) under vanilla BF2's server browser, under one executable?

Last time I tried the booster packs were accessible under the vanilla game. So yes, it's all merged, only SF is seperate.

[globefish23]

Originally Posted by Slayersav

There making it free so im not worried about it. Just a bad mix up :-)

Yes, but... but the medals!
You can only see them on that page if you have the boosters linked to your account, which will not be the case anymore with v1.50.

[B0GiE-uk-]

So I have the original BF2 and I bought the booster packs.

Is there any where or way I can download the EA Download version that is patched to 1.41 already without having to pay?

Has this 1.5 new version also been tested with Windows 7?

[GarryGanja]

Originally Posted by globefish23

Yes, but... but the medals!
You can only see them on that page if you have the boosters linked to your account, which will not be the case anymore with v1.50.

You mean the European Union special service medal and the North American service ribbon?

Isn't everyone now supose after teusday to get the opurtunity to get that medal and ribbon?

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

Originally Posted by Frankelstner

Last time I tried the booster packs were accessible under the vanilla game. So yes, it's all merged, only SF is seperate.

So we are right back at square one again. Either you use vanilla or SF as part of your rotation. It's either one or the other.

[GarryGanja]

Originally Posted by EastCoastSnipa8U

So we are right back at square one again. Either you use vanilla or SF as part of your rotation. It's either one or the other.

Well as Sf is seen as another mod and the booster are expansions to BF2(and now seen as vanilla bf2) it is like it supose to be,can't have SF in rotation cause switching from BF2 to SF wil loose you alot of players on the server as people who do not have SF wil be kicked.So great the way it is..............or gonna be!!!

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

Originally Posted by GarryGanja

Well as Sf is seen as another mod and the booster are expansions to BF2(and now seen as vanilla bf2) it is like it supose to be,can't have SF in rotation cause switching from BF2 to SF wil loose you alot of players on the server as people who do not have SF wil be kicked.So great the way it is..............or gonna be!!!

Your response makes no sense. This is an online server based game. That did not change with SF. Furthermore, there is no such thing as "another mod" it is all BF2. Perhaps with extensions (or whatever you want to call them) offering more weapons, maps, vehicles and the such. But it's still BF2...

So, if it's true that servers will be "red out" when you play SF with Patch 1.50 a server admin will have to choose if he wants BF2 vanilla rotation or SF. In which there shouldn't be IMO.

Lets look at the map rotation shall we...(pardon me if I left out any maps)

BF2 vanilla
Gulf of Oman
Kubra Dam
Mashtuur City
Operation Clean Sweep
Sharqi Peninsula
Strike at Karkand
Zatar Wetlands
Dalian Plant
Daqing Oilfields
Dragon Valley
Fushe Pass
Songhua Stalemate
Wake Island 2007
Blue Peril
Jalalabad
Highway Tampa

Euro Forces
Great Wall
Taraba Quarry
Operation Smoke Screen

Armoured Fury
Midnight Sun
Operation Harvest
Operation Road Rage


Special Forces
Devil’s Perch
Ghost Town
Iron Gator
Leviathan
Mass Destruction
Night Flight
Surge
Warlord

If I got all the maps that leaves 22 maps for vanilla BF2 rotation with only 8 for SF. This leaves SF as the odd man out. Which brings up another observation. Current SF weapons would not be integrated into vanilla BF2.

[SantaBJ]

EF and AF just add content, SF has deeper changes. It is, in fact, a separate mod (just check the mods folder ).

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

Originally Posted by SantaBJ

EF and AF just add content, SF has deeper changes. It is, in fact, a separate mod (just check the mods folder ).

And that shows what in particular here? There are special content socks but they still work with any pair of tennis shoes . In other words, those changes only relate to those 8 maps which has no relation to any other map. So I can't decode whatever vague response you are making. Which is in regards to why they are not part of the regular rotation for all maps.

Sure if you want to believe SF is special no problem. How does saying that prevent it from being part of the BF2 vanilla map rotation? So that a server admin can use whatever group of maps of his/her choice?

[ohshutup]

SF isn't part of vanilla BF2 - it uses the same core game files of course but runs from another executable and you can't mix vanilla/SF maps in a rotation since they're technically... different games.

SF is more of a true expansion pack in a sense while AF and EF are labeled as booster packs.

Keep up the great work DICE. Now get going on the 2142 patch.

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

Originally Posted by ohshutup

SF isn't part of vanilla BF2 - it uses the same core game files of course but runs from another executable and you can't mix vanilla/SF maps in a rotation since they're technically... different games.

SF is more of a true expansion pack in a sense while AF and EF are labeled as booster packs.

Keep up the great work DICE. Now get going on the 2142 patch.

I honestly don't see anyone debating the content of SF. It's odd that no one can explain why SF can't be part of the BF2's rotation. If you have a special phone in your house why would it need it's own line? It can have all kinds of content that no other phone in your house may have. But what keeps it from being part of the "phone system" in your house? Heck I've heard of folk using both corded and cordless phones.

[NwJoolz]

Originally Posted by EastCoastSnipa8U

I honestly don't see anyone debating the content of SF. It's odd that no one can explain why SF can't be part of the BF2's rotation. If you have a special phone in your house why would it need it's own line? It can have all kinds of content that no other phone in your house may have. But what keeps it from being part of the "phone system" in your house? Heck I've heard of folk using both corded and cordless phones.

ohshutup just explained to you why vanilla BF2, AF and EF maps can't be included in SF (or vice versa) and I'll try explaining it again...

SF is a MOD - it sits in BF2s mods folder, the core files are different and it runs from a different executable. Furthermore SF was developed by DICE Canada and the Swedish BF2 team have already stated that BF2 and SF are coded quite differently in parts.

Technically possible but prohibitively expensive would be a major re-write of the core bf2 game - probably resulting in a 4Gb patch that no sane company would sanction for an almost five year old game!

That's just the way it is - get over it. Be a bit nicer too...

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

Originally Posted by NwJoolz

ohshutup just explained to you why vanilla BF2, AF and EF maps can't be included in SF (or vice versa) and I'll try explaining it again...

SF is a MOD - it sits in BF2s mods folder, the core files are different and it runs from a different executable. Furthermore SF was developed by DICE Canada and the Swedish BF2 team have already stated that BF2 and SF are coded quite differently in parts.

Technically possible but prohibitively expensive would be a major re-write of the core bf2 game - probably resulting in a 4Gb patch that no sane company would sanction for an almost five year old game!

That's just the way it is - get over it. Be a bit nicer too...

Actually this reads more of an excuse then a reason. It still doesn't explain why a server admin has to pick one or the other. Sure it would be ideal to have no server come up "red out" but the amount of re-write for 8 maps is something I find hard to believe as costly. I'm just talking about adding them to the rotation nothing more nothing less.

We are talking about 8 map here. Instead of having 22 and 8 it would be just 30 maps. No one cares who made the maps or how they are defined.

[GarryGanja]

@EastCoastSnipa8U

So I don't see what your problem really is,many people try too explain you what you are asking and they all explained it really well with the complete truth and how things work and still you think you all know it better,so ok see it like you wanna see things,but to me it is the same question as why COD4 and WAW can't be played in the same rotation,cause engine wise it is also the same game.But just as BF2 and BF2 SF it just can't happen cause they been seen as different games,if you start up SF you start up a different game if you wanna play the boosters they are in the vanilla bf2,can't see it another way cause that is just the way it is.........

But hey some people always want more and can't apriciate what is presented to them...........well some people .....really only you cause you realy the only one talking nonsense like this and like NwJoolz said first do something about your temper!!!!

And for the simple explanation for your question: It's odd that no one can explain why SF can't be part of the BF2's rotation i can explain.The only answer is cause the boosters gonna be in the patch and special forces not simple as that,and then you gonna ask why? Cause they decided special forces to be not in the patch.Is it that hard too understand that?
Hey but you don't have too play it man,in complaining you are much better try to find something where you can do that all day..........hahahahaha just loosen up man this stress is bad for your heart

[USAxGMF]

that is most excellent news about the 1.51 patch being worked on...and also the extras
if i get all my unlocks done before 1.51 comes out i might just go ahead and but the booster packs...
wish bf2 and bf2142 could be merged into steam so it could patch everything and and i could buy the booster pack for bf2142...

i mean right now i have both the (3 cd version of bf2) and the dvd version of just bf2142 (non-deluxe) and i wouldnt mind buying the download version of the booster pack through steam because it manages the games...
ex: i install bf2142 and patch it to 1.5 (current) and then if i want the booster packs i have to install eadm just for the booster pack.....whereas with steam it already maintains about 10 of my games.

im not sure what im saying but steam is the only way i have bought games online and dloaded them.

what would be ok is if i could trade (up) my bf2 or bf2142 for the deluxe editions for a small fee.
i have my original boxes and and game codes on the back of the pamplets.

[1Bryce1]

^^^^ WHAT are you on about?

The booster packs AF & EF are FREE. They will be included in the 1.5 patch available next Tuesday, Sep 1.

This isn't cash for clunkers...you cant trade in for an upgrade.

[dstyle5]

Originally Posted by EastCoastSnipa8U

Your response makes no sense. This is an online server based game. That did not change with SF. Furthermore, there is no such thing as "another mod" it is all BF2. Perhaps with extensions (or whatever you want to call them) offering more weapons, maps, vehicles and the such. But it's still BF2...

So, if it's true that servers will be "red out" when you play SF with Patch 1.50 a server admin will have to choose if he wants BF2 vanilla rotation or SF. In which there shouldn't be IMO.

Lets look at the map rotation shall we...(pardon me if I left out any maps)

BF2 vanilla
Gulf of Oman
Kubra Dam
Mashtuur City
Operation Clean Sweep
Sharqi Peninsula
Strike at Karkand
Zatar Wetlands
Dalian Plant
Daqing Oilfields
Dragon Valley
Fushe Pass
Songhua Stalemate
Wake Island 2007
Blue Peril

Euro Forces
Great Wall
Taraba Quarry
Operation Smoke Screen

Armoured Fury
Midnight Sun
Operation Harvest
Operation Road Rage


Special Forces
Devil’s Perch
Ghost Town
Iron Gator
Leviathan

If I got all the maps that leaves 20 maps for vanilla BF2 rotation with only 4 for SF. This leaves SF as the odd man out. Which brings up another observation. Current SF weapons would not be integrated into vanilla BF2.

You are missing half of Spec Forces maps: Mass Destruction, Night Flight, Surge and Warlord. And Highway Tampa for vanilla. With there being 8 maps in Spec Forces that is enough to warrant switching to it if you want to play those maps IMO.

Yeah it is unfortunate that you can't run a server with both, but I'm sure there are valid technical reasons why. Most likely the BF2 Spec Forces exe has been substantially modified to accommodate night vision feature, so if you were playing a vanilla map and a Spec Forces map came up in the rotation, the game would have to restart with the new exe. Then restart again every time you switched to between vanilla and SF. I'm pretty sure that would be pretty jarring and annoying to most people.

[Gully_Foyle_1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_kuh
Will the no DVD patch be delivered as an extra addon or will we never see this?

It is part of Update 1.50. There is no extra patch or file needed.

This should be listed as a feature in the feature summary. It's a big deal to a lot of people!

[1Bryce1]

lol, he forgot Highway Tampa and Jalalabad.

[EastCoastSnipa8U]

Originally Posted by dstyle5

You are missing half of Spec Forces maps: Mass Destruction, Night Flight, Surge and Warlord. And Highway Tampa for vanilla. With there being 8 maps in Spec Forces that is enough to warrant switching to it if you want to play those maps IMO.

Yeah it is unfortunate that you can't run a server with both, but I'm sure there are valid technical reasons why. Most likely the BF2 Spec Forces exe has been substantially modified to accommodate night vision feature, so if you were playing a vanilla map and a Spec Forces map came up in the rotation, the game would have to restart with the new exe. Then restart again every time you switched to between vanilla and SF. I'm pretty sure that would be pretty jarring and annoying to most people.

Ah yes, thanks I've added those as well . Thanks for the reply this answers my question. In essence it could be. All the other responses really made no sense to me. Specially that one user trying to draw a comparison between BF2 and COD4 LOL.

Anyway, in all we will have 22 vanilla and 8 SF maps.

[FrankCastleITA]

Another question for you Baza:
- will BF2 be released on Steam?

[1Bryce1]

From what I understand...

SF is a true mod which has its own executable and game essential files.

AF & EF are more of an add on like a map pack to the standard BF game.

It was probably more work than they were willing to invest into combining the SF along with AF & EF into the already bloated and long overdue patch. Or they just weren't willing to give that much away for free.