[iPetition] for EA / Dice for Player limit Increase - READ ME

[WEEG09]

We, the BF2 Community are all in agreement that for a small change on your part, to increase the 64p limit to 114p, and increase squad sizes to 8, giving 7 squads of 8 and 1 Commander on each side, the popular and very well Mod supported game will have its life extended even further, and will show EA/Dice as a true Multiplayer FPS provider. Most player computers in this day and age can easily cope with this increase, and it is a long time coming. We all really hope you take the time to listen to your "community", and make this small coding change to enable larger multiplayer action.

Thank you for listening to your Community.

[R-DEV]UK_Force
Project Reality
Operations Lead

Please Sign This and maybe we might see this coming in the next patch

Spread the word!

[The_Doctor]

114players, are you that stupid?

Think about it, half the servers lag already with a handful on it would be chaos and a massive forum uproar if it was increased.

[IGetPwnedOften]

I think if they could increase the limit they would have done so already. I really don't think the engine could handle any more with any kind of decent stability - as already mentioned it can be troublesome with 64 players already.

Maybe if/when BF3 comes it'll have more players, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I reckon you'd need some monster server hardware.

[Vykk Draygo]

Originally Posted by The_Doctor

114players, are you that stupid?

Think about it, half the servers lag already with a handful on it would be chaos and a massive forum uproar if it was increased.

I don't mind seeing it, I won't ever play it But I don't mind seeing it.


Alright, I'm sure it'll be laggy. Ok.. I guarantee it'll be laggy. But here's the thing... who says you have to play at 114 player servers? That's right, no one.

[WEEG09]

@ IGetPwnedOften: Vykk mentions valid point here

Originally Posted by Vykk Draygo

But here's the thing... who says you have to play at 114 player servers? That's right, no one.

Also

Originally Posted by IGetPwnedOften

it can be troublesome with 64 players already.

server owners can choose their maximum player limit anyway, just like they can now in the 1.41 version of BF2 for example, server owners can set it to 64 maximum on a 24/7 karkand map. (which is already a spam nest)

You also mentioned this could be troublesome? Do you mean Troublesome as in the chaos that involves lalalalalalaed teamkilling for vehicles etc? Well the Operations Lead over at PR community created this petition and because PR is a completely different game, all that lalalalalalaed'ness you get in ordinary BF2 doesnt exist in PR, so this wouldnt be a problem on PR.

EDIT: sorry for sounding a tad, un-friendly towards the vBF2 Community there

Also..

Originally Posted by IGetPwnedOften

I reckon you'd need some monster server hardware.

Joint Operations... Remind me the Maximum players a server can support JO? And how old is it?
It's 2008, and it really isnt that expensive these days to get hardware than can cope with 114 players... would be worse if it was 114 bots, but its actually not, so actually, not that much extra power would be required.

Both PR and BF2 could do with this tweak of 114 max player support. The Developers asked to use Xpack (special forces) statics/objects (buildings etc) for the PR mod, and guess what? legal permissions were granted by EA. So hopefully the same can be done here, with this max player expansion.

If you disagree, Sign the thing anyway please, better having this option, than not having it at all

[Thenoob836]

I dont mind signing it, but i dont think its possible for bf2 itself.64 players servers are already unstable imo, more bugs,lag,ect and thats not my pc or connection. Dunno about PR though, played it a longtime ago, if it is still the same , then its not for me, to much reality signed anyways

mzzls

[The_Doctor]

Right, so basically you want people to sign a petition so that PR can progress?

Not the fact that for those who don't play mods will be effected.

[nihao7]

Actually, it's not for PR. It's for the whole bf2 community

We the regular BF2 can benefit from this change as well, larger maps such as Kruba Dam, Fushe, and Tampa would be played the way they were supposed to be played. IIRC, BF2 was originally going allow 128 players battle it out and the larger maps I've mentioned were originally designed for 128 players. Of course they changed that due to the incapability of the server technology at the time but this has changed now.

The changes to player size and squad size would also bring improved gameplay. If being in the thick heat with enemies that could pop out any second like on maps such as Karkand or Jalalabad is your style, then 114 player will bring such game play. It well make the larger maps more popular as there's more action now other than watching jets flying over head.

If you are into clans, teamwork and coordination, the 8 man squad will allow you to actually give you enough people to work with to come up with effective tactics instead of run n' gun. It would also allow you to possibly have a squad with every kit present, making your squad more effective and the gaming experience more fun.


Once again, I emphasize that the person before said. Servers don't HAVE to run 114 player slots, they could run any number of players below the limit. And if some of us don't want to play with 114 people then they have the choice of not to.

What this petition REALLY brings if successful is more freedom and choices to the players in regards to the way they use the product they've spent their money on. More choices are always better (unless we are all communist dictators fearing rebellions)

[The_Doctor]

I personally think this petition is to just fetch attention to PR as its failing to move forward and gain new players. Not entirely PR's fault but mainly because the game is so broken in many ways, people have lost faith in it and no longer play it.

You need to understand that BF2 is old now and since its release they have brought out a few patches and in fairness to try and fix it but its not worked. I cant see anymore coming after the next one so it doesn't matter if you start a petition or not as it wont be acted upon.

I'm guessing that the new patch will also make things worse in the game. 114/128 players would be good but how many truly honest players play this game now, im guessing not many because anyone who gets a lucky round of kills gets accused of cheating in someway and thats not always the case. I, amongs other would be disappointed if EA/DICE allowed even more cheaters on a server.

..saying that though if ALL the servers were ran by trusted admins and clans then things would be different but considering the majority are hacked to death then it will never change.

Even a new map wont save the game now...not like there is a new map or anything, just that if there was it wouldnt change the game.

[nihao7]

PR is not trying to bring attention to their mod through this petition. The mod has had enough attention already. Right now it is THE most played BF2 mod and was voted second place by MODDB.com's Mod of The Year. Also, PR has just released their 0.8 version and the player/server population has spiked dramatically, so much so that it rivals even the 0.5 version release. We can see the server/players here:

Servers playing BattleField 2 | Server / Player Search | Game - Monitor . COM

Also, PR isn't looking for everyone to play the mod because PR isn't for everyone. It takes more than mouse clicking skills to enjoy PR and a lot of people hate PR for that. In short, PR is really looking for Quality over Quantity

I think we all understand BF2 is old and some of the patches, especially 1.3 were major failures. However, I think most of us now understand that how "good" a patch was depends on your perspective and your playing style. I.E. if you like being medic or sniper, 1.41 is your paradise. Also, yes the game has major problems but the severity of the problem again depends on perspective. Also, most of us if not all can agree that if we take a step back and look at BF2 as a whole, though it could have been better, it's one of the BEST games made and there's really not much games like it (despite all the posers).

Regarding the patch, I'm sure we all realize this but it is not out yet and probably won't be out for a while. Thus there's plenty of time for the petition before the 1.5 patch.

I'm rather optimistic regarding the patch, it promises anti-hack measures and IIRC Dice/EA were actually asking for requests/feedback regarding to 1.5 patch. Last time they did this was 1.4/1.41 patch, which was what we could call one of their better patches. Of course there's always going to be cheaters, they are cockroaches that we can't exterminate. However, this hasn't stopped people from playing BF2. There's still plenty of servers active and ton of players. I don't know if majority of them are hacked but most of the servers I've played were fine, hacking is definantly a problem but as an BF2 junkie I don't think it's killing the game. Again BF2 is one of those unique games that others try to imitate but cannot. IMO BF2 might last another year or two depending on what games are comming out.

In conclusion, because BF2 still have sometime before it finally rests in peace, so let us sign the petition and see how far it will go. If it succeeds, we the BF2 community well benefit. If it fails, we've lost nothing but 5 seconds of our time.

[rdevjaymz]

Originally Posted by The_Doctor

I personally think this petition is to just fetch attention to PR as its failing to move forward and gain new players.

You are incorrect. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm a PR developer and I assure you we did not do this to gain publicity at all! We don't need to things like this to gain publicity. We do all that through other means, such as our deal with xfire and our strong relationship with our community and server admins.

As for failing to move forward and gain new players, realism implies a small market. Couple that with the fact that more people play PR online than Armed Assault (a fully marketed retail game) I'd say we are far from failing.

Back on topic : The petition is for EA to allow the ability for admins to run 114p servers if they so wish.

[Fat_Swinub]

No. There are a million and one things that need addressed in the patch that don't just benefit a small minority of players who don't even play the game normally any more.

[nihao7]

I think we are confused regarding the petition and what it will bring. It actually WON'T just benefit a "small" minority of the community but rather it will benefit us the BF2 community as a whole.

Like the posts before mentioned, it will make larger maps in BF2 played more, more excitement, teamwork, coordination and of course more frag.

[Fat_Swinub]

Ok here's a compromise. Let's make it so only unranked servers can have ridiculous MMO size games and the rest of us can play ranked to play the game how it's actually meant to be played. I think that'll solve all our problems.

Or we could just drop it so EA can focus their time on fixing bugs rather than wasting time on useless features no one wants.

[rdevjaymz]

Originally Posted by FatSwinub01

Or we could just drop it so EA can focus their time on fixing bugs rather than wasting time on useless features no one wants.

Current sigs for the petition : 1,431

Really looks like "no one" wants it

[Fat_Swinub]

Originally Posted by rdevjaymz

Current sigs for the petition : 1,431

Really looks like "no one" wants it

No one but your secular little community who've signed it multiple times in some cases. Let's compare that to being against squad hopping before 1.3 came out with about 11,000 or so signatures. Let us "vBF2 tards" play our game and you can all play BF2: Waiting Edition.

[SpaceballsPlayer]

Originally Posted by The_Doctor

Right, so basically you want people to sign a petition so that PR can progress?

Not the fact that for those who don't play mods will be effected.

spoken like a true idiot. the pr mod is very popular as someone as has said it does not mean every server would change to 114 man. Pr mod is moving forward which means people who see it might get bf2 and also play normal bf2 which will mean more people playing bf2 in general. its people like you why games die.

[WEEG09]

Originally Posted by FatSwinub01

Let's make it so only unranked servers can have ridiculous MMO size games and the rest of us can play ranked to play the game how it's actually meant to be played. I think that'll solve all our problems.

Sounds Fair.

Also..

Originally Posted by FatSwinub01

Let's compare that to being against squad hopping before 1.3 came out with about 11,000 or so signatures.

The Max Player Petition has only been around for a few days... So lets just wait and see

[Ustanotbesoham]

Does this really require a patch from dice? I remember a year or two ago, someone putting up a 512 player server, and asking people to join at a specific time to see how many people could it handle.

I dont know who or how they did it, but it should be possible already.

[kosh0r]

stupidio ideo

[Fat_Swinub]

Originally Posted by WEEG09

The Max Player Petition has only been around for a few days... So lets just wait and see

Originally Posted by spacemanc

I think the signatures will die off after a week or so - Therefore it would be better to send it of and kind of say " we collected these in just a week"

ipetition - for EA / Dice for Player limit Increase - READ ME - Page 12 - Project Reality Forums

[rdevjaymz]

Originally Posted by FatSwinub01

No one but your secular little community

Ignorance must truly be bliss in your case. Despite the fact our forums have over 20,000 members and our mod is the most played BF2 mod out there. You don't even realise that we're not the only mod that wants this. What's even better is that you fail to realise that we want this specifically as a modding option. Let alone the fact that I haven't bashed stock BF2 in anyway yet you consistently do so with regards to PR.

Word of the day ladies and gentlemen "segregationist".

[Vykk Draygo]

nevermind

[Fat_Swinub]

Originally Posted by rdevjaymz

Ignorance must truly be bliss in your case. Despite the fact our forums have over 20,000 members and our mod is the most played BF2 mod out there. You don't even realise that we're not the only mod that wants this. What's even better is that you fail to realise that we want this specifically as a modding option. Let alone the fact that I haven't bashed stock BF2 in anyway yet you consistently do so with regards to PR.

Word of the day ladies and gentlemen "segregationist".

I make one crack at PR and suddenly you go more defensive than a tortoise in his shell. Got something to prove? At the moment Modjive says there's a measly 173 players on your mod right now. Yeah it's the most but how hard is that when the next contender is PoE2 at 59 players?

I still say this'll only benefit PR, it's useless to everyone else and you seem like you're a little insecure about something

[SpaceballsPlayer]

bigger question fatswinub01 is why you think it would be so much of an issue if some servers changed, or are you just arguing because you think its clever.