New Patch Discussion

[lmimmfn]

Originally Posted by UKDsoldier

I'd like for them to fix the unexplainable lag.

After 3 system upgrades during my BF2 days, ive put all lag down to something being wrong with the system or the ping rates for the network

[Ustanotbesoham]

DICE_Sentience, I am still paiently waiting for a response.

Originally Posted by Ustanotbesoham

Such as? Lets see, here's what I can com up with.

1) Sufficent interest in the game? Check.
2) Still selling new copies at full retail price. Based on pricing and shelf location i have seen, id have to say: Check.
3) Continued revenue from Ranked Servers? Check.
4) Common codebase with a currently supported game? i.e. does dice still have people on staff that know the code. Check.
5) A new game coming out that will make them forget about BF2? Negatory. (The only reason I did not buy 2142 was the way BF2 was handled. I personally will not buy another dice-made game unless something good happens with bf2)
6) Can the code and/or balance issues be fixed for a reasonable amount of money? I dunno. Depends on the labor laws in Sweeded, i imagine.

Sentience, we all would like to hear what the issues are that make the patching question such a difficult decision. If there is a good reason, then I'm sure most people would understand and be more patient. Thats not too much to ask, is it?

Who.... Who is in charge of making this decision?
Johan Näsman? Marcus Nilsson? Could you ask them to pop in here and give us the scoop?

[Oddsodzlost]

The way I see it is, EA is still making money form the game. Be it sales of the game to the retail market or RANKed servers. So if EA are still making money from it. It's should maintain it. We are not looking for big things here (well I'm not). Just the fix's to stop the cheat with there hacks. I Am sick to death of the CMD hack that drop cars everywhere to ruin a game. Our server has it happen everyday. We can't stop them. WE need DICE to fix it.

I Believe the reason why EA/DICE will not say if there is a patch in the works or not is because they know that as soon as they say there is not one coming. The money will stop coming from RANKed servers.

We don't care about maps. We don't need balance change of game play ( J-10 and F-35B jets are fine as they are, Just replace 1 F-35B with an F18 on the map Dalain plant. And make the G36E not as powerful, His a medic not a uber solder). Just please, PLEASE fix the bugs and STOP the cheats.

[Braidedheadman]

The J-10 and F-35 are fine as they are?

Whatever you're smoking, I'd like to try a couple hits on that too.

[Oddsodzlost]

Originally Posted by Braidedheadman

The J-10 and F-35 are fine as they are?

Whatever you're smoking, I'd like to try a couple hits on that too.

off topic. The maps with J-10's and F-35B's are maps (not including Dalain plant) that have the PLA without a UCB. This means that they can lose the J-10. No Airfield = No J-10 ownage. Maps where the PLA have a UCB, The USMC team get F-18s. So the Balance is there. This is why I said I would like to replace 1 F-35B with a F18 on the map Dalain plant. The PLA have a UCB and so can always have jets.

Yes, the J-10 is hard to kill (Not for me ) But it is no good with out ammo.

Leave the jets as is. Fix the bugs. Get rid of CMD hack.

Sorry for going off topic

[kosh0r]

but you have allmost no chance to cap these points. e.d. dragon valley, wake, because the j10s kill you...

of course you're the pnly one who wins every fight vs a j10...

[Braidedheadman]

Originally Posted by Oddsodzlost

off topic. The maps with J-10's and F-35B's are maps (not including Dalain plant) that have the PLA without a UCB. This means that they can lose the J-10. No Airfield = No J-10 ownage. Maps where the PLA have a UCB, The USMC team get F-18s. So the Balance is there. This is why I said I would like to replace 1 F-35B with a F18 on the map Dalain plant. The PLA have a UCB and so can always have jets.

Yes, the J-10 is hard to kill (Not for me ) But it is no good with out ammo.

Leave the jets as is. Fix the bugs. Get rid of CMD hack.

Sorry for going off topic

That's not even remotely close to being balanced. If that were the case, and if balance was meant to be achieved through map design vs. overpowered hardware, then Sharqi Peninsula's TV Station probably would not get chopper raped all round long. I'm sorry, but your "Not a UCB" argument just doesn't hold water. And I have serious doubts about you not having any problems vs. the J10 when you're in the F35. I call bogus.

[djmc26bf2]

Any news of a maybe patch? no...well..this thread is about it and i wait for some EA guy to come and tell us , please.
§this is what a forum should be used for: TO INFORM and DIALOGUE with customers§


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any news of the patch?

[Oddsodzlost]

Sharqi Peninsula's is a bum deal for the USMC. You are so right on that point.

I tell you what lets chat about this here

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/s...15#post4659315

This way we are not high jacking this thread.

I To await word of a patch.

[Braidedheadman]

I don't know that it's being hijacked per se. The things being discussed here are directly in line with the New Patch Feedback thread of yore that has since been buried and forgotten by EA/Dice, especially now that we have new management. In fact, the F35 balance issues were one of the most recurrent topics that were brought up in that thread. Discussing them here, in preview of a new patch yet again, isn't as OT as you may think it is.

But w/e. This is one of those topics that has been talked through-and-through to death without so much as a peep out of EA/Dice, except when months ago Mr. Colin Clarke said EA/Dice had no intention of fixing it, ostensibly because anything they might do to it would actually make it worse (if you can believe that pile of garbage).

[Spidery Yoda]

Originally Posted by Braidedheadman

ostensibly because anything they might do to it would actually make it worse (if you can believe that pile of garbage).

Given their track record, i think they may just be right.

[Braidedheadman]

True. But my point was that they are supposed to be a "professional" team of developers. If the hobbyists and gaming enthusiasts in the modding community can put their stuff together with a high degree of polish, EA/Dice should be able to without a problem. Colin's excuse was and is utterly bogus. The only reason they can't (or won't) is because EA has told them not to specifically or they've made their money and they just don't care enough to maintain their product properly. In any event, BF2's development team have not shown a credible software design process through and through from, I dare say, its release date. Anyone remember the memory leak that BF2 was released with?

[Oddsodzlost]

Ok. Enough is enough. Cartillery hack is just beyond a joke. EA/Dice need to fix this and needs to be fixed NOW. Our server is plagued with the hack and there is nothing we can do about apart from make our server private. Which in turn would make it an unranked server. This is just not acceptable. This has gone on far to long. EA/Dice have known about this and as far as I can see have done nothing to fix it.

FIX IT ALREADY.

[TomBabmo]

I haven't seen the red tag bug for ages, but instead I get this "create/join squad"-bug quite frequently where you can't create or join a squad. This should be considered critical and game ruining bug, because apparently other team is still able to create/join squads.

And if there's ONE balancing thing to do, that'll be G36E. Man that gun is ridiculous, I can kill people easily with it's bursts from miles away. It's just so sadly accurate. If most of the time you can't hit sh*t with L85 and M16 and G36E is the complete opposite, I wonder what gun 99% of USMC medics will choose then...

[Ustanotbesoham]

Yeah, the squad bug is a real pain.

I'd like to see the assault kit's grenades brought up to the same damage as hand thrown grenades. But keep the arming distance as it is.

[Vykk Draygo]

Originally Posted by Ustanotbesoham

Yeah, the squad bug is a real pain.

I'd like to see the assault kit's grenades brought up to the same damage as hand thrown grenades. But keep the arming distance as it is.

It was like that, but a lot of people complained that it was too overpowered. Then they nerfed it so that it was less powerful, and wasn't as accurate (at least I believe).

[Ustanotbesoham]

As I recall, the complaint was about people 'noobtoobing' -- using it in close quarters combat. They added a time delay so that the GL's would bounce if they hit a solid object before that time. The delay fixed the problem, but they also reduced the damage and blast radius at teh same time.

IIRC the the blast area of a hand-held grenade is 300% bigger than the assault kits gl.

[MaydaX]

What needs to be fixed are the name, rank and commander hacks. A growing number of players are getting framed for hacking. The best anti-cheat is to prevent hacks from working in the first place.

[SilentScope2401]

Ustanotbesoham don't expect a reply, they only reply to useless topics, and the reason they none of them probaly play bf2 anyway. (Unless they have a special super patched version that we consumers dont get, we haven't sold our soul)

[Scouserjohno]

Originally Posted by MaydaX

What needs to be fixed are the name, rank and commander hacks. A growing number of players are getting framed for hacking. The best anti-cheat is to prevent hacks from working in the first place.

Amen to that!!

[WFSamB]

this is a message for EAUK_Insignia or the dice representative,

Is there actually going to be a patch? No dates or anything just a Yes or a No?
I've posted MANY times on the other EA forums, and i get a maybe everytime, the game is in serious need of patching, the product is being hacked so much that 100 bans are being added by punksbusted.com a week, infact its rapidly becoming the most hacked online game out there.

I guessing your involved with meetings to discuss issues raised by the customers?
Could you take this to them and get a response for us?
EA need to improve vastly on there customer service skills its the only place there lacking and its serious hurting EA's public image.

Do you honestly believe the customers of Battlefield 2 or 2142 are going to buy future EA products? For example Crysis, i think it looks awesome but im not buying it purely because of EA's service with Battlefield 2 and this will be the same for A LOT of people, lots of bf2/2142 clans are the same as well. (Will not touch EA online products ever again).

This game is hacked more than online free games like AA (or whatever) and wolfenstein, which is a joke! we have paid for this!

I also don't want the line "EA aren't making any more revenue on this game, so they don't see it being worth while" as your still leasing the servers and there are still 1000's.

The most generic requests for the patch are these:

J10 is too powerful as the hit boxes on it are completely screwed someone seriously messed up with this, its like shooting air.

And patch the exploits in the code that allow these hacks to operate.

The next thing thats going to be said is "But the hacks will adapt and carry on working".
Yes, very true but if EA assigned a small team after this patch they could continue to fix the exploits in the code until this game is extremely hard to hack and the hacks wont be so easy to come by. And with a little luck this won't become thee most hacked online game.

I am a server admin and ive applied every anti cheat measure available from punkbuster, screenshots, BR (pointless by the way, i mean are you going to watch every player? i think not), MD5 checks on all BF2 files and file checks for seperate file hacks.

Yet this doesnt stop them as they completely subside PB and hack there ****'s off, with corrupt screenies etc etc. Its comes to the point that there is at least 1 hacker per server, sometimes you can be wrong thinking they are hacking, but you know when an SVD fire 10 times and gets 10 kills within 2 seconds its a bit obvious.....

PLEASE SOMEONE IN A POSITION FOR EA OR DICE RESPOND, ill pm this to you anyway....

[kosh0r]

there will be no future patch.

many bf2 players waited for crysis, quake wars or cod4.
qw is out, the other two games will be released soon.

there will be not many players left for bf2.

[Thenoob836]

Originally Posted by kosh0r

there will be no future patch.

many bf2 players waited for crysis, quake wars or cod4.
qw is out, the other two games will be released soon.

there will be not many players left for bf2.

I have to agree, are you guys that naive(?). The game is to old, ea isnt gonna spend any more time/money on it. No matter what they say, they just dont wanna say it straight, because they probabely dont wanna scare the bargainbin buyers. I even doubt 2142 will get much more support or improvements.

Although i dont agree with players going to QW, crysis............i tryed em and they dont come near the gameplay of bf2(not talking about bf2 IO). The guys i know from bf2 almost all rejected these games as the next new thing. Theres a very big group of hardcore bf2/mod players who wont just leave bf2.

I have to see about COD4, looks good in singleplayer. I have to see the multiplayer first, to pass judgement, as im only intrested in the multiplayer. Although im a bit sceptic, why not release a multiplayer demo?...............wich was what everybody asked for........might be that it isnt any good?.......

mzzls

ps Dont get me wrong i would love a patch too, or a better anti cheat program.....just not gonna happen anymore.

[WFSamB]

cod4 looks like theres no vehicles, QW's isn't bf2 i played the beta and demo thinking that this could be the replacement (EA didn't make it, and has same features as BF2), but it didn't live up to expectations.

Crysis.....EA made it ill wait til 3.04v comes out for it then maybe consider it, i would like to point everyones attention that loves BF2 towards "frontines fuel of war" this looks to be good (but have to wait and see)

[DrDarthContinent]

I, too, won't be buying Crysis or any other EA title, at least until BF2 and its players aren't treated like the "red-headed step child" of gaming.

I still play the game, and despite the BUGS that still plague it, I do enjoy it. Here's a list of bugs which I've encountered recently for which I've cursed EA / DICE every time I see them.

* POOR HIT DETECTION (puffs of dust even at close range, tank shells / SRAW going straight through the middle of a chopper / vehicle without impact)
* Weapon re-re-reloading. Reload animation occurs, then a lag spike, then immediately occurs again.
* Picking up the Engineer kit (most frequently) or other kits can cause a crash to desktop.
* Corpses "merge" with walls or other structures, which seems to make them unable to be revived.
* Inability to join squads for one team at game start.
* Inability to leave squad. Several times I've found myself stuck in a squad and can't leave it. If I try to spawn on my squad leader, I'm unable to do so.
* Supply crates very rarely appear to be "dead", providing no ammo nor health.
* Vulnerability to hacks (mega vehicle and supply drop hacks still seen occasionally)
* Kit weirdness after death. Say I'm killed, after a medic revives me, a usable copy of my kit remains on the ground.

At least a couple of these bugs comes up every time I play. If I were a server administrator I wouldn't pay until at least the major defectlalalala detection and revive issues in particular) are resolved, but alas, I'm just a player.

I will however not buy another EA game until this lalalala gets resolved, just too aggravating to reward poor software development with more money. I'm not speaking poorly of the developers, more so the managers; poor project management IMHO is why a lot of the major bugs haven't been prioritized and resolved.