16 people to start a private match!? - Page 2

ZonalFear · 14-06-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin0ni

Also, peer 2 peer is limited to 16 players max, so I hear on 360 anyways.

While not using the frostbite engine, Call of Duty 3 Xbox/ Xbox 360 is 24 players hosted via P2P/ Player hosted. Call of Duty 4 is >18 players on P2P/ Player hosted.

I'd imagine that the packets are qute small for a 24 player CoD3 game in comparison to trying to get Frostbite on P2P for 24 players, though.

NOS_Fogger · 14-06-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZonalFear

While not using the frostbite engine, Call of Duty 3 Xbox/ Xbox 360 is 24 players hosted via P2P/ Player hosted. Call of Duty 4 is >18 players on P2P/ Player hosted.

I'd imagine that the packets are qute small for a 24 player CoD3 game in comparison to trying to get Frostbite on P2P for 24 players, though.

I'd say wait and get the PC version and rent a server then you can start a game all by your lonesome if you wanted!

BTW GVD where are the specs for the PC version??

Symonator · 14-06-2009, 05:07 PM

Well your the dev - you know more than me.
I can understand the data transfer (which i didn't think of before i posted)
But ya know..am guna have to like it or lump it.

Just a bit of a bummer

but i can understand why it is at the same time

well now i do

Ill end up buying a pc server i shud think in the end

Stammy · 14-06-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

Now so everyone understands why we set a limit, these are DEDICATED SERVERS on the highest end hardware available that DICE pays for at no cost to YOU for a $15 game! Because WE PAY for them we have a budget and with that Budget can only rent so many servers giving us a set limit on the total (Business 101). That means each Trial server, Full Game Server, Coral Sea Server, and Private Match Server will take one of these servers from the grand total. A private match will use a 24 player no matter how many join it. So you better believe we're going to require a minimum amount of players using the server and not letting a few wasting it to muck about. That is the truth and facts.

What happens if too many people buy the game or download the trial? Lagfest for everyone?

NOS_Fogger · 14-06-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stammy

What happens if too many people buy the game or download the trial? Lagfest for everyone?

Wait a minute, I thought some goober posted that consoles don't lag?

GordonVanDyke · 14-06-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by djsy2008

Well your the dev - you know more than me.
I can understand the data transfer (which i didn't think of before i posted)
But ya know..am guna have to like it or lump it.

Just a bit of a bummer

but i can understand why it is at the same time

well now i do

Ill end up buying a pc server i shud think in the end

As long as you let me join it and chase you with the wrench!

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Originally Posted by NOS_Fogger

BTW GVD where are the specs for the PC version??

Coming soon, but we are still ironing out stuff before announcing. Don't want to put our foots in our mouths.

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Originally Posted by Stammy

What happens if too many people buy the game or download the trial? Lagfest for everyone?

We have a plan in place to increase the servers if it sells better than expected. Which I hope for and get to use that plan I and others have invested in putting together.

Symonator · 14-06-2009, 05:23 PM

lol......it will sell well im sure

Any news on that release

I don't know why i complain ill buy it anyways!!!

1Bryce1 · 14-06-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

We have a plan in place to increase the servers if it sells better than expected. Which I hope for and get to use that plan I and others have intested in putting together.

I hope that plan included leaving a door open for more content to be added, like maps, possibly vehicles, etc

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Studio · 14-06-2009, 05:58 PM

Van D = oh guarenteed its gonna sell better then expected. i dunno what yer market predictions are, but id say you're gonna go 1/3rd over what ever it was. good price point, in home point of sale... you got it on lock.

you guys got the rest of the companies beat when it comes to this paradigm. the download game will be the way to go. you're gonna double yer interest in the game based on people who have never played it...

that being said, you're gonna double yer complaints by people who have never played the game before and now want more and more outta it. same as bc. same as 43 will be.

you guys got em all beat when it comes to the franchise. you just gotta beat the economy somehow. maybe i dont see it much but BF isnt really promoted that much, which is expensive i know, but when i see a BF commercial running during a tv show, itll show the market is expanding and crossing into the mainstream. i dont mean hire ozzy or mister t...

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DeusNK · 14-06-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

I expected a more knowledgeable post from you on this djsy. You of all people know what it takes from a tech side, Frostbite is not a simple fly by night engine that can P2P the kinda of data going on in the background. Name one P2P game out there doing what BFBC1 does! You can't because no other game does.

Now so everyone understands why we set a limit, these are DEDICATED SERVERS on the highest end hardware available that DICE pays for at no cost to YOU for a $15 game! Because WE PAY for them we have a budget and with that Budget can only rent so many servers giving us a set limit on the total (Business 101). That means each Trial server, Full Game Server, Coral Sea Server, and Private Match Server will take one of these servers from the grand total. A private match will use a 24 player no matter how many join it. So you better believe we're going to require a minimum amount of players using the server and not letting a few wasting it to muck about. That is the truth and facts.

Hey GVD, thanks for the reply, I can understand emotions get a bit high at times, you make it, we ungrateful sods play it

If you did'nt make such good games, we all would'nt get so uptight at times.
Especially now as you're gonna be VERY busy promoting this and BFBC 2.
We are (well most of us anyway) very concerned with lag, we dont want a repeat of what happened after Christmas.

Thanks for reading.
Dazbobaby, friend to Sy,and a few others :P
http://www.mess-hall.co.uk/forum

DeusNK · 14-06-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Bryce1

I hope that plan included leaving a door open for more content to be added, like maps, possibly vehicles, etc

.

Like Gold Rush!!!!

Killzone_Kid · 14-06-2009, 06:19 PM

So you need minimum 16 people to start private server, what is the problem? I think this is great, only if it won't affect those with 14 friends or less

KylieDog · 14-06-2009, 06:23 PM

Seems a fair number, for clan matches each clan should have no issues getting 8 people together.

This also weeds out padders and people wasting servers so 2-3 of them can fart about killing themselves.

bunsenbeaker27 · 14-06-2009, 06:40 PM

Gordan, one question I have about the private matches is that in the pre and post game lobby can all players (24max) talk to one another? Also while on the subject of voice coms, in game you have a 4 person squad channel and a long time back Sibben mentioned a lone wolf or non squad voice channel was being worked on. Did that ever get implemented? The reason I ask is because for private matches with friends it would be easier having the entire team on one com channel than three separate squad channels or two XBL parties.

Jamesspade2 · 14-06-2009, 06:43 PM

What is the offhand expectations on sales??

WDAOPTIMUS · 14-06-2009, 06:43 PM

1Bryce1 · 14-06-2009, 06:52 PM

Hahaha. Nice 1.

WDAOPTIMUS · 14-06-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WDAOPTIMUS

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Originally Posted by 1Bryce1

Hahaha. Nice 1.

LOL I thought was funny too!

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Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

Coming soon, but we are still ironing out stuff before announcing. Don't want to put our foots in our mouths.

Any hints to extra content in the PC game? Come on! Your killing me!

o-_FidoFido_-o · 14-06-2009, 08:06 PM

Lame. That was the main reason I was looking forward to 1943. Small games with a few friends. Planes be damned. I guess it's a good thing I can't get it until early August. I can hear community feedback on it after the blind hype has died down and decide whether or not to get it.

Killzone_Kid · 14-06-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by o-_FidoFido_-o

Lame. That was the main reason I was looking forward to 1943. Small games with a few friends. Planes be damned. I guess it's a good thing I can't get it until early August. I can hear community feedback on it after the blind hype has died down and decide whether or not to get it.

Yeah but it ain't fun with smaller numbers and big maps, unless you just want to fool around

spacefox00 · 14-06-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonVanDyke

I expected a more knowledgeable post from you on this djsy. You of all people know what it takes from a tech side, Frostbite is not a simple fly by night engine that can P2P the kinda of data going on in the background. Name one P2P game out there doing what BFBC1 does! You can't because no other game does.

Now so everyone understands why we set a limit, these are DEDICATED SERVERS on the highest end hardware available that DICE pays for at no cost to YOU for a $15 game! Because WE PAY for them we have a budget and with that Budget can only rent so many servers giving us a set limit on the total (Business 101). That means each Trial server, Full Game Server, Coral Sea Server, and Private Match Server will take one of these servers from the grand total. A private match will use a 24 player no matter how many join it. So you better believe we're going to require a minimum amount of players using the server and not letting a few wasting it to muck about. That is the truth and facts.

Thanks for the reply Gordon! Really appreciate you coming down to explain to us(mainly me <_<) why it's gotta be this way. Yes, from a technical view I understand why it has to be done like that. And it's great to hear that there are "dedicated servers on the highest end hardware available". Seriously, great to hear.

But just like djsy2008 said, it will still be a bummer, that we can't get together with a few friends and mess around on a private match. Damn, no private knife matches either, unless we can get 15 more people to agree on it, lol. xD

And Killzone_Kid, maybe not fun to you, but some people still enjoy messing around with the maps, especially with the sandbox environment provided with the Frostbite engine.

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I don't know why i complain ill buy it anyways!!!

Tell me about it, lol!

Killzone_Kid · 14-06-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spacefox00

And Killzone_Kid, maybe not fun to you, but some people still enjoy messing around with the maps, especially with the sandbox environment provided with the Frostbite engine.

This is why I said "unless".

Studio · 14-06-2009, 08:49 PM

wait so if you start with a full room... what if the majority leave?
if it goes under the minimum do you get red screen of no game happening?

or could you get the minimum, have a bunch leave and have yer room to do yer vids and weirdness in?

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ps
for a second i thought it meant 12v12 max.

Killzone_Kid · 14-06-2009, 08:52 PM

probably the first one. The game will kick everyone out like it is now with BFBC "minimum people required to join 3"

o-_FidoFido_-o · 14-06-2009, 08:55 PM

Good question. What happens if one guy leaves and it's just 15 players in a room? SERVER SHUTDOWN?

14-06-2009, 05:07 PM	#28 (permalink)
Symonator Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Gender: Male Posts: 1,652	Well your the dev - you know more than me. I can understand the data transfer (which i didn't think of before i posted) But ya know..am guna have to like it or lump it. Just a bit of a bummer but i can understand why it is at the same time well now i do Ill end up buying a pc server i shud think in the end __________________ XBL: Symon4tor \| PSN: Symonator \| Xfire: S0undd SCEE Closed Beta Tester

14-06-2009, 05:23 PM	#32 (permalink)
Symonator Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Gender: Male Posts: 1,652	lol......it will sell well im sure Any news on that release I don't know why i complain ill buy it anyways!!! __________________ XBL: Symon4tor \| PSN: Symonator \| Xfire: S0undd SCEE Closed Beta Tester Last edited by Symonator; 14-06-2009 at 05:25 PM..

14-06-2009, 06:40 PM	#39 (permalink)
bunsenbeaker27 Rookie Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Carolina, USA Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 143	Gordan, one question I have about the private matches is that in the pre and post game lobby can all players (24max) talk to one another? Also while on the subject of voice coms, in game you have a 4 person squad channel and a long time back Sibben mentioned a lone wolf or non squad voice channel was being worked on. Did that ever get implemented? The reason I ask is because for private matches with friends it would be easier having the entire team on one com channel than three separate squad channels or two XBL parties. Last edited by bunsenbeaker27; 14-06-2009 at 06:45 PM..

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14-06-2009, 05:58 PM	#34 (permalink)
Studio Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 915	Van D = oh guarenteed its gonna sell better then expected. i dunno what yer market predictions are, but id say you're gonna go 1/3rd over what ever it was. good price point, in home point of sale... you got it on lock. you guys got the rest of the companies beat when it comes to this paradigm. the download game will be the way to go. you're gonna double yer interest in the game based on people who have never played it... that being said, you're gonna double yer complaints by people who have never played the game before and now want more and more outta it. same as bc. same as 43 will be. you guys got em all beat when it comes to the franchise. you just gotta beat the economy somehow. maybe i dont see it much but BF isnt really promoted that much, which is expensive i know, but when i see a BF commercial running during a tv show, itll show the market is expanding and crossing into the mainstream. i dont mean hire ozzy or mister t... B

14-06-2009, 06:19 PM	#37 (permalink)
Killzone_Kid Forum Junkie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London, UK Age: 39 Posts: 2,512	So you need minimum 16 people to start private server, what is the problem? I think this is great, only if it won't affect those with 14 friends or less

14-06-2009, 06:23 PM	#38 (permalink)
KylieDog Forum Regular Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 740	Seems a fair number, for clan matches each clan should have no issues getting 8 people together. This also weeds out padders and people wasting servers so 2-3 of them can fart about killing themselves.

14-06-2009, 06:52 PM	#42 (permalink)
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14-06-2009, 08:06 PM	#44 (permalink)
o-_FidoFido_-o Elite Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US Gender: Male Posts: 5,469	Lame. That was the main reason I was looking forward to 1943. Small games with a few friends. Planes be damned. I guess it's a good thing I can't get it until early August. I can hear community feedback on it after the blind hype has died down and decide whether or not to get it. __________________

14-06-2009, 08:49 PM	#48 (permalink)
Studio Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 915	wait so if you start with a full room... what if the majority leave? if it goes under the minimum do you get red screen of no game happening? or could you get the minimum, have a bunch leave and have yer room to do yer vids and weirdness in? B ps for a second i thought it meant 12v12 max.

14-06-2009, 08:52 PM	#49 (permalink)
Killzone_Kid Forum Junkie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London, UK Age: 39 Posts: 2,512	probably the first one. The game will kick everyone out like it is now with BFBC "minimum people required to join 3"

14-06-2009, 08:55 PM	#50 (permalink)
o-_FidoFido_-o Elite Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US Gender: Male Posts: 5,469	Good question. What happens if one guy leaves and it's just 15 players in a room? SERVER SHUTDOWN? __________________