Domestically they are young but quite dominant.
Internationally they haven't been there yet with the exception of Portugal's finals loss to Greece last Euro's.
They both would need the next World Cup. By WC2014 Ronaldo will be almost 30.
So what you're asking is if the Italians, English, French and Brazilians think the next 3 WC's will go to Portugal and Argentina. My guess is they won't think so.
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